I personally think VV are overpriced in the C:SM codex. In the BA codex they are 10 pts cheaper and have the Descent of Angels rule. That makes them worth it in my opinion. With my Vanilla Marines, I can never justify the points cost.

Yeah the vets are great, instead of strom shields id rather go for more guys. If you have 8 vets you get an extra inch for that second circle which might help you to actually get the charge…
so my VV squad would look like this: 8 vets , JP, 4LCs -> 300Pts (for BA )

I have played against a 600point squad of these guys. They never get their points worth. The problem is they never strike first against me, then I tie they up in combat long enough to bring in bigger soldiers. The last time I played the 600 point squad they killed 200 points worth. The last time I played a smaller squad kitted out the same way I killed 4 out of 5 with shooting from dire avengers. In my opinion you should put as many of these guys in you army as you can so it will be easier for… Read more »

Mmmmmmmmmatt.

I think how you arm your vanguard really changes most depending on what you’re up against, against IG, eldar or tau, I’d seriously consider using them with just the pistols and chain-swords and using the points to ad more models then letting the extra dice shine. Chaos the LC/SS combo and fire em at terminators. Really with the space marine codex there’s no one be-all-and-end-all solution for any unit, you need to think about which units are doing what role, then tie them together to support each other , and with the deep strike units, what you’re going to do… Read more »

I really love VV’s, but you are right they very expensive, even though i only play 1500pts i still have the 5 metal models converted so i have sergeant with relic blade and 4 guys bolt pistol and power weapon.

They are not worth the points in SM codex. You usually wonyt have the locator beacon when they come and with 2d6 scatter it is realy risky as you can easilly end up too close or too far. If they come from the reserves too early, you ususally have no target for them, as most units are in transports in the early stages of the game and also five models even with 3+/3++ are not going to last long.alone in the open. If they arrive too late, than lots of your points are doing nothing half of the game. If… Read more »

yea darrell i’m going to add storm shilds to my wolf claws .that would be cool

Deep striking is too much of a gamble, in my opinion anyway.

I have a 610pt squad of these fellers i like to use in apocalypse games. 10 man squad with jump packs, sergeant with a relic blade and 9 pairs of lightning claws. Another good way to get them on target is scout bikes with a locator beacon on the sergeant, (because they can move… FAST) turbo boost them on their scout move or outflank them and you can have a locator beacon within 6″ of your enemy’s favourite unit. Then, 39 power weapon attacks, 3 at strength 6 the rest with re-rolls. Bye-bye terminators or mega armoured nobz