Weekender: Warhammer Rumours & Terminator Minis This Summer!
January 10, 2015 by dignity
It's been quite a wild start to 2015 with a whole bunch of announcements and plenty of rumours flying around. What better time to start off the first proper episode of The Weekender!
We give our thoughts on Privateer Press and how they seem to be making it all the easier for you to jump into the world of Warmachine & Hordes with not only some rather interesting army sets but their neat role-playing game Adventure Kit too.
Warlord Games officially got behind the Terminator Miniatures Game as well which is being penned by wargaming favourite Alessio Cavatore. We can't wait to see what comes out of this skirmish game in the summer.
Not only that but Knight Models are seriously cranking up the generator when it comes to the Batman Miniatures Game and they've been showing off some awesome page previews and pre-order details for the rulebook itself!
Warhammer Fantasy Battles has also gone into seeming free-fall online when it comes to rumours and we'll be giving our opinions on what we think of the information that dropped earlier in the week.
Also, did you try and win yourself a copy of the 4Ground Stoic Arms Tavern? We have the winner for you this episode!
Happy Gaming!
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Phew, was starting to get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of Saturday morning awesomeness before work!
@warzan what’s that cool figure behind your head at the stormtroopers feet?
And I quite like the idea of expansions via white dwarf, always worked pretty well with the chapter approved articles, then at the end of the year they used to publish all the articles in a shiny book.
Ah yes, expansions published in magazine that can only be bought in a GW store…
that’s gonna work for every one
You can buy White Dwarf Weekly in any FLGS. Don’t have to just get them in GW stores.
BoW Ben
I used to have a subscription to the monthly iPad version of White Dwarf. Since it went weekly I have literally bought just one copy. I would still buy an iBooks version, if it existed but the ebook version looks terrible and the nearest shop which sells it is 3 miles away. They have made WD just enough of a pain to get hold of that I really can’t be bothered with it anymore.
Works for me and you cant keep everyone happy can you, and as @brennon kindly pointed out you can get them in any FLGS
Just worked it out, the Khador box and the Skorne box is bang on 35 points, which is pretty much the standard points size for games of warmahordes
Plus I hate to say it the unleashed kit as far as I am aware is not the full rules, its a set of scenarios, models and enough rules to get you through that. think of it as the operation icestorm box,
Sooo… the Red Hood. As it looks like you’ve figured out yourself, this is a complicated history. The Red Hood began life as a Joker origin story (which is the one Justin summarised) which was then largely forgotten about for the best part of forty years. The artwork on the front cover of the special edition rulebook comes from a comic called The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland. This is the story that Lloyd touched on. In it, Moore delved back into the characters past and re-told his origin which ran parallel to another story set in… Read more »
Also, as I think Lloyd mentions, DC muddied the waters a bit following The Killing Joke and implied that it wasn’t actually what happened. Quite rightly too as it diminishes the character for him to have a proper origin story. He works much better without one.
I hope so the New 52 Redhood and the Outlaws is one of my favourite series. What they did with Infinite Crisis and the whole New 52 Re-launch is try to unmuddy the waters a bit and just start from scratch so yes if you want to go back and look at all the classic story lines and some of them are just amazing then by all means do so but with the New 52 relaunch you don’t need to you can just enjoy from #0 again and not have to worry about continuity from classic comics. Loving a lot… Read more »
Why learn so much lore when it is so heavily ret-conned all the time. Comics are the worst for this kind of thing. If we thought GW and Disney were bad for it just try and wrap your head around the “history” of one DC character. Probably cooler to write your own story and make it how you want.
You don’t have to learn so much lore. There were 31 years between the first and second telling of the Joker origin. Very few people by 1988 would have known the original story existed. You didn’t need to know any previous history of the Red Hood when the Jason Todd version was introduced. You didn’t even need to know who Jason Todd was. These are stories that date and are refreshed for new generations. They don’t require a great knowledge of lore to understand what’s going on.
*37 years
Very interesting to hear your thoughts on the direction of Warhammer Fantasy, just thought I’d respond to the points which spiked my interest. I’m with Warren round bases and grittier and darker skirmish game sounds exciting. The problem for me is that Warhammer Fantasy ‘was’ mass battles. GW killed the desire for this by rule revisions which pushed more and more power to individual models and the escalation in costs to field huge armies. I think its a good business move as they clearly aren’t likely to be reducing the cost of miniatures. The reality, sadly, is that they have… Read more »
I am going to guess that the arms war between ‘Tank God’ and ‘Herr Doctor Justine’ is related to Bolt Action armour and the proliferation of new kits, including the forthcoming Tiger 1?
Jeff is also known as the Demolisher 😉
I’m not so sure I would swop out eSorscha to start with as she also has the ability to buff Winter Guard, but yeah its good that changing Warcasters changes the playstyle of the army.
Warmachine is something that I can see me going 100% with and I’ll be picking up that 35pt Khador set soon as.
Great saturday morning entertainment guys.
I think the reason GW would put supplements into White Dwarf is you can only buy them direct. For many people means going into a store and footfall is exactly what they want. Even people who buy online and are faced with paying postage might figure that if they’re paying postage anyway, they may as well add a mini or two to the order. I got the recent Battle of the Five Armies WD insert and the quality was excellent. It obviously wasn’t hardback and it was staple-bound, but it could easily have been a product that sat on the… Read more »
Thanks for another great weekend starter!
Consider the timeline that GW has covered for Hobbit & LOTR, if you consider the whole range there are both individual characters (e.g. Strider/Aragorn and Gandalf) and whole units that ‘fit’into a particular part of the story. You’ll always have the kind of player who says “but that kind of Orc and that other kind were never within 100 leagues of each other at the same time” and you’ll have casual players who say “they’re proxies for X which fits into this scenario so they’re using these stats”. Some will be slaves and pedants to the fluff (you get it… Read more »
Very bad news having a limited run of mini’s, Warren is spot on with this one, and what about the after-market? Could make a fortune on ebay, no need to wait 10 years before the value doubles, a year would do it.
Lies! No one can beat Mark Hamills Joker!
I was going to say that if I could play in any universe it would be the Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy Batman: The Animated Series.
I’d love to see them do some miniatures based on those versions of the Batman universe since they were the ones I grew up with! Everyone always looked so cool!
BoW Ben
Yep, Batman the Animated Series is a cracking show too.
Batman is looking amazing, trying to resist. For me Keaton’s batman and villains would be the fun one to explore in game. Amazing as the Nolan films are I feel stylistically Burton created a much more colourful and comic book world – penguin being a particular favourite
Call me Mr Cynical but for Warhammer does limited edition models mean he doubling of the price due to rarity value?
To be even more cynical . Would you then go into your GW store and buy your 40K marines that would also include a sprue to convert them into a Warhammer Fantasy Religious knight?
+1 for cynicism
For me the Warhammer rumours are very mixed. We have already had one guy drop out of our escalation campaign we just started because he can’t be sure anything he buys in the next 6 months will be usable in 9th. I’m not fussed about the rumoured fluff change, though I do think its very extreme. We wanted the story to progress (hence End Times being so popular) but GW have gone from a stagnant story to a complete reboot almost. Round bases makes sense for a skirmish. I’ll just use square bases on my old models. I’m sure most… Read more »
With regard to thought on warhammer I have posted lots in discussion forum, but it maybe that @warzan is the target audience – someone with no investment in current armies, or background and no love for mass battles. However I can see them losing a lot of their current player base, what are your thoughts on that? Agree with you views on release ideas, particularly with a hobby where people can spend months painting a unit – even at skirmish scale rolling product is not great for the more gaming orientated players. Oh at @Warzan why with the health and… Read more »
The cruel reality is that their current player base is stagnant too. They have already put all their money in so GW doesnt loose that much if some of them leave.
I’m afraid that all three of you are wrong chaps: The best Joker bar none, accept no substitutes, is Mark Hamill. There is a reason that Warners have made use of his distinctive voice for most of the last 20 years since Batman The Animated Series (in much the same way that TAS Bruce Wayne/ Batman Kevin Conroy has set the standard for all who follow him)…..
Is this just limited to live action/animated portrayals of the character by actors/voice actors? Or are comic book versions included as well?
Oh not at all. I’ve only really read Batman since the early 2000’s consistently, but if you’ve got a writer who “nails” a character it can be just as defining as a good actor playing the part. And in fact the comic book medium is far more forgiving of changes in tone between different writers – in the case of Joker it’s even been used as a character point that every time a new writer takes him in a different direction he’s trying out new material, constantly reinventing himself to face The Bat. For example, in the modern era I’d… Read more »
I think Hamill’s voice acting works very well in its context, but it’s a bit too pantomime villain for me to regard it as a definitive Joker. I wouldn’t consider any of the live action or voice acted Jokers to be better than the best comic book renditions. It’s not their fault. The character is perfect for comic books and something is always lost when it’s translated.
Had to log in just to agree with Justin there, Batman Beyond was great. I loved it as a kid and I think it still holds up very well even today. I loved the art style, the futuristic setting and even the look of Batman himself in it. I’ve never been a big fan of swooshy capes so I liked the Batman Beyond version a lot. The theme song alone for that show is superb. Don’t get me wrong, I love the old 90’s series (especially the intro and theme for that) but I think Batman Beyond is very underrated… Read more »
I really enjoy your company guys every weekend. By the way, the “bubble” thing is something that confrontation had at its own universe by a different point of view. I tried to love warhammer for some years but something didn’t worked correctly for me.
Loved the show. Not sure what to make of the fantasy rumours, I’ll reserve judgement until I see it, but like warren I think that endless limited minis and negating current collections, if they should happen, are very poor choices for long term viability.
Gotham looks great in the batman book, but its just one too many games for me so not something I’m looking at, still getting to grips with infinity N3 at the minute.
Yay the really long wait is over and the Weekender is back 🙂 roll on tomorrow for XLBS
Great show and loving the look of Batman.
@warzan On the Warhammer Fantasy front I’ve had a email in the inbox from GW this morning saying:
“FEBRUARY 7th
Warhammer World’s big announcement!
Don’t miss out, check your email
on February 7th.”
So we don’t have too long to wait to see if your speculation is correct.
I assumed that was related to the re-opening of Warhammer World.
Speaking of the Joker; DC are currently giving away the digital version of issue #1 of Brian Azzarello’s excellent Joker mini-series. This version of the character pre-dates the Heath Ledger version, to which it bears a striking similarity –
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Omw0WLaaXWw/maxresdefault.jpg
Here’s the link for the issue – https://www.readdcentertainment.com/DC-Comics-Essentials-The-Joker-1/digital-comic/1433400015001
Also, free Scooby-Doo & Batman team-up –
https://www.readdcentertainment.com/Halloween-Comic-Fest-2014-Scooby-Doo-Team-Up-1-Featuring-Batman/digital-comic/1359400015001
Scooby-Doo & Batman? Sounds like the PERFECT blend for @warzan and his gamer in training Savannah. Now he can put her mini’s on that new Batman terrain and he has the cannon to back it up 😉
It sounds like WFB’s turning into Warmachine with added limited edition BS.
IMO limited edition is BS in any circumstances. It’s turbo-BS when this limited edition stuff gives you an advantage in games. It’s enormo-turbo-BS when this is limited edition stuff that you spend ages painting.
It all sounds like far too much effort to keep up. No thanks.
Yeah, that is where my interest died for the new WFB for me (assuming the rumors are true…take a large heaping of salt with it.) Skirmish? Yes. Round bases? Yes. Having a limited edition mini cycle? A big, fat no. Warren was describing the business model scaring off certain gamers and I would be one of those gamers. Alternative sculpts or the occasional limited edition mini with a new rulebook or as a Gencon release doesn’t bother me. But having the business model sort of revolve around that concept is a complete turn off. I hated it when Rackham did… Read more »
Great weekender and welcome back Warren. The guys have done a great job holding the fort !! I can’t believe I won the Stoic Arms after so many fantastic suggestions. It is great to have won as we have just finished our last building (The Sassy Gal) and were just about to pick up the Stioc Arms at the next show. Thanks again guys.
Congrats, man. And I hope your dream becomes reality (the one about 4ground making the Dad’s Army church, not *that* one!)
Welcome back guys! As I said on Brennon’s thread earlier in the week – If you believe the fluff in one of the End Times books, an armoured knight sounding very similar to Draigo was discovered in some woodland (haven’t read it myself so description maybe slightly inaccurate). We now have a “religious” heavily armoured army to match chaos – so Draigo moved to the Old World and formed fantasy Grey Knights? 🙂 Listening to the talk about the potential of a limited release schedule I find a little concerning. Looking at the current limited releases / “Special edition” stuff… Read more »
“releases are limited to the same degree.”
That should actually read “releases are limited to a similar degree.”
I remember reading a long time back somewhere WD? That the Warhammer world was in the 40K universe somewhere so they may just be closing the circle saying one of the chaos regions has expanded to cover that world like Tanith has (Gaunt’s Ghosts) perhaps?