Weekender XLBS: How Hung Up On Rules Do We Have To Be?
February 21, 2016 by warzan
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Slogging through some Sigmarines, bloody boring minis to paint,, at least I’ve got Justins overreactions to Warrens cheesy jokes to keep me entertained for a bit.
And if I’m first then “FIRST!”
On AOS, the Grand Alliance: Death book is tiny, it’s smaller than a regular army book, it only has 35 warscrolls and the GA books don’t have a lot of fluff in them, on the bright side it’s only £10 which is pretty decent since its got those little flavour texts and pretty pictures, but it’s no where near the bargain that the chaos book was. As for Tomb Kings, it’s not surprising they’ve gone due to sales but yeah I and many AoS fans that I know will actually miss them, they had some cool units like the Necropolis… Read more »
Happy Sunday, everyone (or . . . Happy I’m-Up-Way-Too-Late-on-Saturday-wee hours of the morning!) 😀
Happy Sunday!
Step 1 cut a hole in a box, step 2 @warzan in a box. step 3 Tazed by US Border Agent. step 4 deported….
Wait those aren’t the words to the song…
I don’t know how many Non-American member of BoW are going to get that reference. Most of them won’t know about Justin Timberlake’s Emmy award winning song from Saturday Night Live. With that said, I get the joke and it is awesome. Warren might take offense at being compared to what goes in the box in the song, but you can’t have everything.
Yes, non-Americans do know that song too. It went kind of viral.
And Warren will probably get the giggles. Just his kind of joke. 🙂
Happy Sunday!
@dignity RE: rivets, you drill tiny marker divots in the plasticard for your balls, then the glue round the edge makes it look hemispherical.
@warzan IMO the weakest Marvel movie is Iron man 2, and it kinda doesn’t have anything to do with the rest of the movies other than introducing Black Widow (which is done again in the first 10 min of Avengers), and Groot won’t be in the starter box co he’ll be twice the size of the other models, same way Hulk isn’t in the Avengers box.
It’s a shame that every Iron Man movie is about some powerful industrialist that Tony has annoyed to the point of madness. If Tony wasn’t such a douche, NONE of the villains in the Iron Man movies would exist. So he’s the bad guy, really 😉
Well, that is pretty much the case in the comics as well. It is about his road to redemption, his over reaction to the use of his technology, etc. In the comics he is pretty much the bad guy in civil war. Don’t know if they will be doing the same thing in the movies.
Happy sunday !!
Happy Sunday! This episode is rapidly turning into a load of ‘balls’, but I’m really enjoying it, best one for ages!
I think the issue of getting rid of the Tomb Kings isn’t them stop making the models but rather that they wrote them out of the rules. This alienates all the existing Tomb King players forcing them to leave the GW world if they want to keep playing that army to go to something like Kings of War to use them as Empire of Dust. Call me crazy but alienating any of your fan base even if it is a small amount is bad for any company. Sure stop making the models but at least let existing players use what… Read more »
Most of the TK range can be used as proxies for VCs
Are they not compatible with the AOS rules?
Twisted just looks magnificent, It’s one I’ve been waiting for and I’m definitely going to back it, there is so much good stuff there though, not sure if I can back big, but I really want to
Debenhams are out 🙁
My order of Two was returned….
Happy Sunday folks!! And @Warzan, If you want an idea of the sort of villains & nefarious teams Knight Models could put together, I HIGHLY recommend checking out the Annihilation/ Annihilation: Conquest/ War of Kings/ Realm of Kings/ Thanos Imperative sequence for the Cosmic side of things (at least the first two. No Annihilation, no GOTG), and just tossing out some names more linked to the Avengers & X-Men we could see the likes of The Masters of Evil, Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Hellfire Club, Horseman of Apocalypse, Sinister Six, Frightful Four, Wrecking Crew, The Hand, Hydra, A.I.M., H.A.M.M.E.R., The… Read more »
Great show guys as always 🙂 Rivets @warzan use pin drill to put slight hole into the model then a small drop of glue then drop in the ball just make sure balls don’t go to deep lol
@warzan, the metal canister is preventing the water evaporating, the best thing to do is take a wide tray spread your balls over it and they should dry in a few days.
But what does he do to dry out the stuff in the canister?
Pouring them out onto a few sheet of kitchen towel paper helps them dry out too.
RE the marvel sets, I’m not sure if it’s still going but there was an Xmen vs avengers story arc recently, could be played out with the starter sets for now. Be nice to see if they do mojo though…..
Happy Sunday
Don’t have a choice at getting rules right in my wargames as my main opponent has asburges “on the autism spectrum” and it is a Must to play the rules Right.
I do agree that if you are enjoying a game it should not matter if you fluff a rule and checking the rule book all the time can get teadious.
At the end of the day we play to enjoy don’t we?
The rule of cool Rules!!
This makes more water cooler moments when we discuss these moments and interact with our gaming partners.
This is probably the best way to describe the thing that is a YouTube comment section
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-iUwiefHqM
You’re both crazy. By and the large the Marvel franchises were better the first time around, and Thor and Captain America are no exception. Winter Soldier is good but not a patch on First Avenger, whilst Dark World is a big drop off from Thor. Avengers Assemble to Age Ultron is probably the biggest drop-off.
An AdeptiCon Skype meet-up sounds cool. The only potential issue is the six hour time difference might mean a late night for yous lot.
Haven’t seen Winter Soldier, but Thor: TDW was a very empty movie, wasn’t it? The first was more engaging. Iron Man 2 & 3 are just about MORE wealthy industrialists p*ssed off at Tony for being annoying. Avengers Assemble is amazing imo. Crammed with zingers and well-defined characters. And the duels are spot on (Hulk V Thor, Iron Man V Hulk… and Hulk V Loki is brilliant). Regarding Age of Ultron, I was really disappointed when I first watched it. But I watched it again yesterday, and I noticed just how much it gets right. There are so many perfect… Read more »
Just before AoU came out, Joss Whedon made his announcement that he was bailing before making the third movie, which should have been a huge red flag. Sure enough we found out later there was heavy studio interference in the final cut. Bits got dumped which made other bits of the movie not work. I’m hoping we might one day get the restored AoU a la Superman II and Nightbreed.
See also the recent Ant Man movie, which suffered a similar fate albeit Edgar Wright bailed before rather than after due to studio interference. The end product often hints at a much funnier movie underneath.
The last edition of WFB was 8th in 2010. Assuming three years ago was early 2013 then that’s about a year and a half before the first End Times books and we’d heard the rumours a little while before End Times.
No company should keep poor selling product available.
Great show guys, I’ve really enjoyed all topics on this one. Gearing rules I take this view. I’m only human and I make mistakes and forget things, so I know that in games I get so into the atmosphere of the game that at times the rules go out the window. My gaming group are all of the same opinion in that the game is filling in a sandwich, to us it’s all about the social aspect first and having a laugh. Our group got so fed up with the complications and heavy going that WFB became that when Age… Read more »
I absolutely agree, nothing kills a great game quite like a rules lawyer. Sometimes we change the rules or even omit rules completely for the good of the game, sometimes by accident but also sometimes by choice. The narrative of the game is far more important that the rules. Also, no one wants a completely unjust annihilation just because of an overpowering rule. This can be very demotivating especially to new people to the hobby or to the younger generation. As for AoS, I think this is a breath of fresh air to fantasy wargaming. What is wrong with simple… Read more »
Nothing’s wrong with simple. My favourite set of mass fantasy battle rules is God of Battles, and they are simpler than AoS. When I’m demo-ing to two new players, they’re usually fine with 99% of the game by turn two and I’m barely needed anymore. My issue with AoS is not the rules are simple.
Happy Sunday!
If professional refs/umps/sports judges cannot completely comprehend the defined rules of their respective sport amidst the heat of competition, which are probably more than a few of decades old, then how are we mere morals with ever changing rules sets supposed to.
Happy Sunday – coffee in hand lets get watching:-)
When I buy a set of rules I’m mainly buying the time and effort the designer has put into making the rules work. My starting assumption when I begin playing is that the designer has done this and the rules do work. Therefore my starting point is that I want to play the rules ‘as is’. If the rules don’t work well I’ll probably not keep playing that game. Why would I? If I like it and there are just tweaks to be made then once I learn the rules and have experience of the game I can make those… Read more »
Fair point on it perhaps being only something spied on YouTube (and tbf forums and comment SE actions elsewhere too) But do those who take the time to write those comments not exist in reality too, or do you reckon it’s just a case of ‘they would never act like that in public’? Is it a case of weighing up the experience of interacting with say some hundreds of gamers vs seeing some fairly shocking comments (perhaps many thousands of times) Either way I do think you are right that outside of Internet land this is probably not encountered 🙂… Read more »
Mainly that the reception of the rules is based on something other than an evaluation of the rules themselves. For 2016 (heck, for 2006) they’re a mediocre set of rules and they haven’t helped AoS’ attempt to be successful. Which is not the same as saying people can’t have fun with the game as the rules comprise only part of that. I think it’s less a case of people don’t act like that in public (assuming you mean the anonymity of the internet), as it is the context is very different. It’s very easy for me to watch a batrep,… Read more »
Battle for Vedros; dont make a cut down version, make a simple version of an entierly new ruleset and build on that. How long can they patch Rogue trader? It would be interesting to see if you guys at BoW could experiment with 40k house rules and see what happens. Theres lots of stuff in there that is just clunky and doesnt make sense. Perhaps play a game and discuss house rules as situations arise. Personally id like to try 1. Bolt action activation 2. Zone mortalis enhanced overwatch or reaction fire 3. split fire by leadership testing 4. Shooting… Read more »
They could just use the 3rd edition ruleset, its still the quickest and fastest ruleset they have done rulewise, and would be relatively easy to swap over to the newest edition.