Weekender: Why Warhammer 40k Will Never Get Kickstarted!
November 8, 2014 by dignity
We're talking Kickstarters, as the title might have suggested, and more specifically why Warhammer 40,000 and Games Workshop Kickstarters would just never work! We will however be delving into the way Eternal Crusade is being run and how the Founders Program for that seems to have hit the nail on the head!
Kings of War is also coming back to Kickstarter for a 2nd Edition Rulebook and we have some amazing looking pre-coloured Bandua Terrain to show off!
Hobby time has also been great with Lloyd getting stuck into Making Craters and Justin & John continuing to dive into Bolt Action. If you entered a competition recently we also have a whole bunch of winners to announce!
Have a great weekend!
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Happy Weekend!!!!!
Video is private?
Why cant i view the vid here. Works on youtube.
If mantic fill out the KoW back story I think that would be a bad thing. One of the great thing about KoW is that you can take, for example, some Spartans add some minotaurs and find some mythical characters and theme your army however you want. Even throw in a dinosaur! I’ve seen some great armies put together for this rule set and you are only limited by your imagination. If the back story was as tight as Warhammer you end up in the GW situation where you only use their miniatures the way they want you to.
What I notice about the Bandua pre-painted bits is that you can see the edges/joins. I’d prefer to base coat and paint myself – good shapes though. The colours are also too saturated and flat for me.
Should someone like GW be able to crowdfund/Kickstart? For core product lines … NO ! They’re big enough and should be able to fund, How they might use it is to consider re-releasing some of their fringe products – Mordheim etc or some new non-core product (e.g. similar to Dreadfleet). Basically saying “This isn’t core, but if you want it enough we’ll divert our resources and expertise to develop it for you”. Interesting is at what point Mantic etc. get to a size that they think “Do we need to Kickstart? What if we fail?”. What do we mean by… Read more »
GW won’t KS, they don’t do discounts or special offers.
lol exactly. You could imagine the stretch goal add on prices.
“We’ve unlocked the new what’s-cha-ma-call-it! Add it onto your pledge for only $50US!”
What is it exactly?
“A brand new exclusive paint! Coloured liquid green stuff!”
They wouldn’t fail anyway, to many fans would just lap it up, whatever it is.
Congratulations to all the winners, you lucky , lucky people 😉
great show guys
Yup Justin, you do get the community buzz, and then you get the community hate when they fail to deliver and more importantly fail to communicate. The failure of Battlefront has really kicked my enthusiasm for Dust into touch even though I have huge forces, they didn’t even send out the rules and cards early like they said so I can play Battlefield, basically they lied to us all.
Great weekender guys. You might want to look into getting some anti tank infantry if possible John.
Yeah I am thinking of some Piat teams and maybe an anti-tank gun.
Great weekender, love Bolt Action and that is a fabulous starter set BUT could you guys do an unboxing of the Rubicon 28mm WW2 tanks – I got a bunch of them yesterday and they are STUNNING! As regards German tanks, no vehicle was invulnerable but some of them managed to endure absurd amounts of damage, I agree with tweaking the rules but remember balancing tank v tank may upset the tank v everything else balance – the notion is commendable but achieving it is going to be a bit of an embuggerance. Think about bazookas, panzerfausts and A/T guns… Read more »
Definitely a great weekender!
cool
If Games Workshop set up a kickstarter , it shows there is a willingness in the company to produce something new (albeit a old IP) , if the kickstarter isn’t funded , it’s not Games Workshop who promote to Kickstarter , it’s not there fault for showing ambition to support a new (old IP) in the market place , it falls on this shoulders of those who haven’t funded it. I think the main concern that GW would have would be the portion of funding taken by kickstarter itself , and then selling that product beyond the initial run that… Read more »
Does anyone know when the mantic kickstarter is starting?
Graffiti – some people have used temporary tattoos on their sci-fi buildings.
I was flicking through a train mag in the doctor’s waiting room this week and saw some graffiti decals. I’ll have to take a closer look next time I’m in.
Blimey you’re right. Goggling “graffiti decals for model trains” comes up with loads. Loads!
They have been around for years
Make sure you look for S scale
They may have been around for years – but why keep them secret? Anyone producing these who had any nouse (common sense) would ask themselves “I wonder if anyone else might buy there? I know – let’s start with other hobby modellers!”
I dont think they keep them secret. They cater to their primary market which is Railway Modellers,which is a far bigger hobby than wargaming. All the wargamers I know always check railway modelling sites for terrain and scenic bits as they always have what you need and some interesting stuff that you dont
I can see how a GW Kickstarters would work…
$100 Pledge Level: Scout (or whatever…)
Receive one 20 model unit set.
– Okay. What’s the RRP of one of these 20 model sets?
– $100
– Hmm…
Saving Private Ryan. The opening sequence is horrifying, but IMO the best sequence in the history of cinema. It’s a shame the rest of the film is entirely forgettable (again IMO).
Replying to myself I’ll watch Fury – for the weathering inspiration if nothing else.
especially those stupid hand signals which sadly found there way into Band of Brothers as well
I’ve successfully repressed that memory 🙂
As far as GW and kickstarter goes, GW has done more to damage their brand than any kickstarter. Between the constant price increases and changing of rules when not needed, I have reached the point where I won’t buy GW unless I have to. I’ll even get models from other companies. To be honest I feel that Mantic has a much nicer range.
I think people still underestimate the dimensions GW works at. GW (in their very poor year of 2014) had an annual revenue of just shy of 200 Million USD in one year. In the entire 6 (?) year history of Kickstarter, a total of 283 Million USD has been pledged in the “Games” category (which also includes Computer Games, Double Fine, Star Citizen, etc.., as well as the Board Games, the Reaper Kickstarerfu, Poker Cards, all of CMON, and gazillions of smaller stuff for limited miniatures, dice, terrain, Frisbees made from tofu, whathaveyou). If GW ran through Kickstarter, they’d have… Read more »
Your point makes sense why almost every big company will never turn to crowdfunding. The only case I can see GW and other big hitters turning to crowdfunding, is to support a charity such as breast cancer society. They would use their resources in a kickstarter to get word out for a cause but never to finance a product as that would make them seem poor and needy. The amount they made makes it clear that even if they did a Reaper bones 2 mil campaign on KS it be small potatoes for them. They would need to raise at… Read more »
Very interesting post there matey, have a plus one.
Good job boys! But don’t let anyone know that Sam is on the set of Game of *beeeeep*!
You mean the Game of Boobies?
I think it would be great if GW did a kickstarter for Battlefleet Gothic, Necromunda, Mordheim and the like. That way they could basically print on demand so everyone that wanted one could get it.
GW wouldn’t be able to run a Kickstarter. Their business model isn’t set up for it. There has been some discussion as to whether companies like Cool Mini or Not should be using Kickstarter to launch games. Cool Mini used Kickstarter as it was designed, to fund projects that the company wouldn’t be able to fund without assistance. However, the company should have the capitol to launch a game without a Kickstarter, but they still use it. They have modeled their business using Kickstarter, so it is completely integrated into the model. At this point, is using Kickstarter a necessity… Read more »
You have a very good point in that a company that can finance a project should do so rather than putting out the cap asking for funds. GW has no need for crowdfunding and should stay away from it. As for CMON, they will kickstart almost everything they come up with, just to get the word out about a game, even though they can support the financing of the game on their own. I don’t have much respect for them, even less than GW.
And you know CMoN can finance all their games because….
… they would definitely get funding at banks with their track record of success.
Interest vs. Crowdfunding fees ? Remains to be calculated.
Yet crowdfunded projects happen in a special environment of excitement. Its a kick, a horserace. And cool mini know how to kick ass there. I feel like people get exited already just because its a CMoN Kickstarter. I bet consumers behave different in such an environment and tend to spent more.
A bank loan is no more being able to finance your games than a crowdfunder. In both cases you have to go to third parties and ask them for money.
I was just wondering if any other corporate entity has ever tried to buy games workshop? Just curious.
I thought they were owned by hasbro
Banksy style stencils for scenery would amazing.
Space marines pointing bananas, Pulp Fiction style. Make it so!
LOL ! Awesome idea !
Emperor Apeface !
Bananas are for monkeighs!