40k Charted: Beginning Our 30k Project
February 24, 2017 by warzan
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Woohoo! What factions? All of them
Man after my own heart lol
Just started getting stuff together for a small Alpha Legion force. Looking forward to watching your progress.
Glad to hear its not just me that struggled with 1st half of Horus Rising. So glad I read on as the series is amazing.
It is simply an amazing book – once it finishes setting the scene – there is no doubt to me it needed the first half pretty much the way it was, but like you I’m glad I persevered as I had literally said “I’m only going to read one more page of this…” lol
Oddly enough I was sucked right in – finished it last night and it was just kept pulling me in 😀
Although there wasn’t a great deal of battle towards the end it still kept me on the edge of my seat due to knowing loosely where the overall story will end up going… the little throwaway bits of dialogue which would come to mean so much later on. Flashes of what’s to come!
Not that I’ve got the time or the money to do one but if I did I’d be tempted to do the loyalist members of a traitor legion, such as the Sons of Horus and paint them as Luna Wolves.
Loyalist World Eaters were my second choice, although the only thing that would set them apart from the traitors is not including characters like Kharn or Angron.
Luna wolves would certainly have been my choice too! – But I understand the reasoning to get the most out of the boxes we have – models nor money grows on trees lol
This would be a cool project. I think its why the original Errant Knights interest me, as they were largely formed from the ‘left overs’ of legions that had turned traitor.
Working on a Sons of Horus force now. Will be posting stuff to the forums maybe tonight.
Filliping Awesome 🙂 Cant wait to see it 🙂
Done. See the “what are you painting now” thread,
They’re looking great. Maybe someone should start a “Show us your 30K” thread for this?
Started my 30k journey in 2006… Bloody hell that went quick lol. Slowly building up a half decent mechanicum army… Two titans so far… Next on the list is the Warlord-Sinister pattern… A big ass Psi-Titan 😀
No hard choice here.
I love the Thousand Sons. An army of psykers what’s not to like and the story of Magnus is so tragic, in trying to safe the Imperium he dooms himself.
My brother loves the Space Wolves and Leman Russ.
The only drawback is that I like Custodes more than Thousand Sons and they fight on the other side.
I will be following this with great interest.
Well, I can’t speak positively enough about book 6 of the horus heresy series. Specifically, it includes the “Shattered Legions” lists. These are meant to represent several small groups of different legions working together. From a fluff perspective, the three main drivers for these forces are: 1) The survivors of the loyalist legions of istavaan V. Small groups of Ravenguard, Iron Hands, and Salamanders grouping together after they were nearly wiped out on Istavaan V. 2) Forces of Traitor Legion marines still loyal to the emperor. Essentially like Garro of the Death Guard. These marines, despire being one of the… Read more »
@foehammer888 Thanks, I probably will look for it when I am going to check for book 7.
I can smell a PLog, smells like a wet dog.
I’ve got a pretty small Word Bearers force, but I love them. The First Heretic, Aurelian and Betrayer are fantastic novels that really detail how the Horus Heresy happened and massively sold me on on the 17th legion (especially with chapters like the ‘Osseous Throne’, ‘Graven Star’ and ‘Burning Hand’, great names!). Betrayal at Calth box is great for starting the army but the main draw models wise are the Gal Vorbak from Forgeworld along with the most hated man in the universe: Erebus!
Great project!
I’ve started my Calth marines as Sons of Horus
and the Prospero ones as Space Wolves 😎
Maybe a good idea to swap the terminators as well..hmm.
Looking forward to seeing how you progress 🙂
Played Space Wolves for 25 years. Gonna repaint em Pre Heresy grey. BUT! Having read Aaron Dembski-Bowden’s “The First Heretic”, “Auralian” and “Betrayer”, I have fallen the the Word of Lorgar. I have four boxes of Calth with which I shall build my Legion and spread the Primodial Truth! I have planned out the following : 4 full 20 man Legion Tactical Squads. 2 full 10 man Legion Special Weapon Squads. 2 full 10 man Legion Heavy Weapon Squads. 2 full 10 man Legion Terminator Squads. 2 Contemptor Dreadnoughts. 1 Mortis Contemptor. 2 converted Mhara Gal Contemptors. And a little… Read more »
Traitor!
Not at all! I’ve simply had the Truth revealed to me! 😉
I am really liking the idea of Word Bearers from the background stuff – I could never understand Chaos in 40k till I read the 30k stuff…
I couldn’t understand how any marine could turn to evil/chaos – the novels have done such a good job explaining 🙂
Exactly Dude. The fall of the Word Bearers is as tragic as that of the Thousand Sons.
In my opinion, the Heresy happened because the Emperor simply does not understand baseline humans. How could he? He’s so far removed from them!
On the reason for the webway. In “Path of Heaven”, its indicated that the golden throne and the human-forged-webway was all part of the Emperor’s plan to isolate humanity from the chaos gods. Part of isolating humanity from Chaos was eliminating psychers. The problem the Emperor saw with Warp Travel was in order to travel via the warp, (1) humanity was dependant on Navigators, who were psychers, and (2) they needed the astronomicon, which was powered by psychers. So, until he found a way for humanity to travel across the galaxy without navigators and the astronomicon, humanity would be dependant… Read more »
The Council of Nikaea is the event you chaps were looking for where the use of psykers in the legions got you put on the naughty step. I had my second Horus Heresy game yesterday and while I like the balance, it’s the narrative elements that bring it to life, even more so than the 40k counterpart. I chose Salamanders as my legion after seeing the Firedrake and Pyroclast models at one of the Warhammer Fests. Plus they’re stoic good guys. With dragons. There are a few of my Salamanders kicking around the What Are You Painting Now thread. I’m… Read more »
Nikaea, that’s the one! It was also where the Imperium got all their fab running shoes…..
A few things to keep in mind. 1) Based on Loadout, a contemptor dread is around 200 points. A 5-unit of custodians is 250 points. So even with giving the thousand sons an extra dread, they are going to be short on points if the SW get 2 units of custodians AND two units of sisters. 2) I might recommend you switch your approach on the terminators. Here is the breakdown on the difference in terminators – Cataphractii = having a higher invul save (4+ vs. 5+) but cannot run, overwatch, or sweeping advance. They are the tougher, but slower… Read more »
IIRC AJ mentioned that the 1k Sons would be getting some Legion Support Squads which I assume would make up some of the difference in points.
The new FW book is a must have though if you’re building those two legions.
Rules-wise, you’re right on the terminators but IMO looks-wise, they fit better the other way round. Each brings a different style of play which fits in either army though tbh. Who’s to say the 1k Sons don’t need some sweet Lightning Claw assault termies or SW some mid-range or teleportable support?
Yes, I think all the special/Heavy weapons from the boxed sets will be going to the Thousand Sons.
Maybe have another look at the terminator options. I’m gonna have a bash at some lists when I get a hold of the new forgeworld book.
Just starting my own 30k army, and I’m going with Luna Wolves. I’ve always played the imperials in 40k so I’ve decided to go the villains (also I was bought Horus as a birthday present a couple years back and I should really use him)
Loving the series.
I’m a big night lords fan mainly because of their fluff so I started an army. Totally sold on them in game one.
Infiltrating Terror Squads and Jetbikers running around in the dark is great but Raptors are the real heroes of the legion when it come to wiping out squads. Plus who doesn’t love emo Batman who blows up his own planet before the Heresy then allows himself to be killed once he realised he was the bad guy.
I’d perhaps hang fire or reach out to somebody with book VII as from the rules it will impact how you build your armies for both legions. Its also worth considering if you may look at specialist units from each of the legions as that can massively change up what you are looking at. Not a bad show to touch on some of the frustration between the legions though perhaps not quite as accurate as they could have been. I’d love to lend a bit of a hand and did pop up a thread about the horus heresy stuff on… Read more »
That makes a lot of sense. From what I have seen of book 7 online, SW and 1K Sons are very different to a lot of the other more “standard” legions in terms of army composition.
I have been massively intrigued by the Heresy stuff for three years now and have both sets and nothing painted…
I keep changing my favourite Legion with each new audiobook I listen to 🙁
I just listened to an audiobook with Ultramarines attacking a World Eater flagship empty of troops except for some Dreadnaughts – it was like Space Crusade 🙂
I have really enjoyed the Garro series, have you taken the time to listen to them?
I really like the Garro stuff because it is small-scale enough to imagine as a table-top scenario.
Some of the other books with twenty World Bearer War-hounds chasing down a Emperor Titan in a flooded city can only go Epic scale 6mm 🙂
What was the name of that book, out of curiosity?
great video guys the thousand suns were also smaller because of genetic faults killing many of the recruits.
love the HH books because of the twists and turns like SPOILERS the dark angels holding of the suns of horus on a forge world from getting eight huge siege engines then giving them to the iron warriors for safe keeping.
Been thinking of doing a similar but smaller project
Nightlords. Just need to order a few Forge World models
You made a logical choice for your rival armies but may I suggest something else.
Luna Wolves vs Sons of Horus.
At the beginning of the drop site massacre, Gavriel Loken realized that his Primarch had betrayed the Emperor. Loken then led other loyalists against his own battle brothers and they reverted to the older name of the legion, the Luna Wolves.
This would make the battles a true civil war.
I’ve got about 3 and a half of the boxed sets, 4 vehicles and a handful of resin figures– the plan was to put together 2 small forces however after listening to the horus heresy audio books and particularly the Garro boxed set it is clear that brother vs brother does not mean chapter vs chapter – every chapter is split to some degree with a mix of loyalists and traitors as per the dark angels discussed in the show, were through the stories you have not only loyalist Death Guard, loyalist World Eaters, loyalist Emperor’s Children, you also have… Read more »
As I have said before – there are some great metallic colours for the Thousand Sons – I have also seen metallic purples for the Emperor’s Children – Some of the painted Horus Heresy armies are real artisan stuff 🙂
I haven’t been able to bring myself to use the purple for the Emperor’s Children as they are magena / pink in the rogue trade book and even though it may look good. With the Alclad paints there is a candy violet which looked good on a test spray if slightly dark as the candy layer is built up to an even tone and a hot metal violet which I need to re-do a test spray of . I’m trying out a few options for getting some highlights into them to see if I can get a bit of a… Read more »
I can’t wait to see this continue.
I have two Betrayal at Calth sets with some extras from Forge World preceding their release too. Before these plastics came I ebayed some old metal space marine armour mks from Rogue Trader / Second Edition for the armies too. I ended up with:
(1) A tiny Alpha Legion force (heavy on Mk6 armour)
(2) A heavily kit bashed Word Bearers army
(3) A larger Sons of Horus Army
(4) A small elite Death Guard army with two squads of 5 terminators, a contemptor, some characters and a support squad
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Another great angle that 30K has is that most if not all stories are told from a personal angle and it allows for all kinds of takes on who is screwing who. And as we read more books that seems to change every now and again. And as more of a narrative player, brother vs brother is not off the table.
Im a massive space wolf fan and have a large 40k force, ive been really tempted by the 30k stuff but i think i may have to do something different myself when i finally get round to it. Im thinking the opposite end if the scale and go for the Emperors Children as theyre nice and clean in comparrison.
Really looking forward to seeing then finished products, and hopefully some videos as you go along with them too.
Great show again! I am going for Iron Warriors. “Iron within, iron without”