Weekender XLBS: The End Of Warhammer Fantasy As We Know It?
November 30, 2014 by dracs
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Happy Sunday!!!!
XLBS before work, nice 😀
Still agreeing with @dignity comment on the regular weekender about backstagers getting first chance on coming to the new studio, you know what with us making it all possible 😉
Backstagers will get first refusal on all events 🙂
Woop of joy 😀
With preference given too backstage members from Bangladesh ?
Solidarity with the Bangladesh backstagers!
Yes we owe them that! 😉
I bet if you carried out a poll of all the players of WHF, the percentage of them who only play it totally as written by the gods of GW, they would be in the minority! I haven’t played it for over 20 years, but everyone I know who still do regularly, play a club house rules version, and they are many!
Besides which, we have Kings of War 2nd edition romping home on a kickstarter. Take a real hard look GW!!!
Well, if you call your latest fantasy product `End Times you pretty much have to go for a post apocalyptic game after that. No more big armies running around, just small bands of desperate survivors.
GW going back to their roots, first edition was mostly skirmish with unit play as an option
A very valid hypothesis, fits in with the old adage ‘what goes around comes around’ ; )
That’s my guess too. They need to design an entry point for the game. A bit like Mantic does. It could be cool if they were to bring back the small skirmish games and allow the use of characters and troops from the bigger format. It would even allow us to start small and then add to our collection up to the point where we have enough models to play bigger games.
(I hope that’s what they also do with 40k as I don’t play Fantasy Battle.) 😉
Would be super-keen for a GW fantasy skirmish game, or better yet, a return of Mordheim. Am starting to worry though that the High Elves i’ve been paining since 5th ed may never actually see the tabletop in full scale battles…
Like Warren indicated, whatever GW do in the future, should have little or no bearing on you enjoying playing your elves, whose game is it?, yours or forever GW’s? In the words of the great Ed Texeira, ‘just play the game’ ; )
I’m pretty sure mr Renton won’t mind you getting a copy of his rules to play with your GW toys 🙂
What I’d like to see: Entry point for WFB = Mordheim. Entry point for 40k = Space Hulk. 😉
I don’t know if Space Hulk would make a good entry point for 40k. It’s a fun boardgame, but the choice of factions is pretty limited, as are the troop choices. A 40k smirmish game of some kind would be better, small warbands could lead directly into collecting bigger armies.
No more WFB? Fair enough, but this’ll start edition wars to which edition we use for our tournie dates. Good to see the interactively options for KoW, and with a progressive team who are looking in how to embrace technology. If GW employed a similar strategy, the possibilities would be staggering.
There have been many statistical studies carried out concerning randomness. One which springs to mind is when they took two groups of people, one group was given the task of flipping a coin 100 times and recording the results, the other group were given the task of virtually flipping a coin and recording the results. The two sets of data were then compared. The virtual coin flip group recorded a significantly more random grouping of results. There were sequences of up to 9 consecutive results produced in the actual coin flip group, not as random as expected! Of course given… Read more »
That’s been our thoughts behind the shuffling algorithm, there are so many factors that affect randomness in real life that true randomness is almost impossible. If you always roll your dice on the same type of table, if you always flip a coin starting with heads facing up etc. It’ll be interesting to see what people think of the Deadzone App.
It is most certainly the reason that, in the new year, I will be itching to get started with Mantic products. Thus far, I have only bought the basic starter box of two armies on eBay, had it over 18 months, but as yet not done anything with it, I will now though! Look forward to more Mantic coverage on BoW.
Virtual randomness also completely relies on the random number generator, how the generator is seeded and so forth. This is why for machine learning that I make use of, we have to run training a lot, because fitting data relies heavily on the random setting of the initial parameters. Computers just don’t feel random for a lot reasons.
Is this Deadzone App out yet? And when they say, do they actually mean iOS app, or a real app that’s available for other platforms?
Nvm, actually listened and heard the answer. Early next month.
It’s going to be available next month for iOS and Android and if you follow @prplgrla on twitter you might be able to get early access.
No love for Windows with the Mantic Digital stuff. 🙁
@jodain there is a growing demand for Windows versions and it’s something that we’re discussing and trying to figure out at the moment.
For shooting live shows guys, you are going to need a vision mixer, and a couple people behind the scene. A live mixing editor, someone on your assets, which should be prepped before broadcast, hopefully a director and floor manager too!
I reckon you can do it!
I reckon we’ll give it a bloody good go! 😉
I really enjoyed Interstellar. Thought it was a beautifully made film. As a longtime advocate of GW ditching WFB as a mass battle game and replacing it with a large-scale skirmish game that uses a cardgame model to keep sales up whilst not requiring a lot of minis on the table at one time, I’m cautiously optimistic. I do think that realistically the mass battle game will die out beyond some small pockets of people. At the time 8th ed was getting me down I tried to go back to 6th ed and couldn’t get a game. 3rd ed is… Read more »
At 42:45, a word not in the GW dictionary, ‘FREE’ !!!! I’m just an old cynic at heart! ; )
The inquisitorial department excommunicated the word “FREE” when the chaos marines rebelled.
A GREAT! GREAT! GREAT! Show guys. Remember the new Mantra for 2015 will not be whatever GW decide to rename their stores, but most definitely: ‘MANTIC, MANTIC, MANTIC!’ Like a breath of fresh air to the gaming world. Love it!
P.S., be bold Sam, don’t let Warren talk over you mate! ; )
But he’s bigger than me
The bigger they are the larger the dent in the floor when they drop! ; )
Well presented young Sam, onwards and upwards to greater glory brother!
Happy Sunday.
I would love to see mordheim come back, it was the game that got me into fantasy. Although I am old and jaded now, and no longer play/own any gw stuff I think a mordheim reboot would actually bring me back.
However the issue is now that mordheim/necromunda have been abandoned, other companies have since made similar games that are better?
I think they have. Which is not a slight on those games. Just an acknowledgement that they were “of their time”. Keeping them the same would be like re-booting an old video game franchise but not changing the gameplay or graphics.
Yeah Im ok if they go the way of skirmish for WFB. Theres only one thing I would appreciate knowing before I continue on with my Daemon/Beastmen army… round or square bases?
Round or square, expect them to be of a new size that no one currently owns any of! 🙂
Oh on a more important topic, Im a massive yes for a DB weekend with BoW. DB got me back into gameing. I went big on the KS. Thered be a few at the club thatd love to head up for that too.
Can you get the non backstage video content to work without flash please, I can choose html5 for backstage but have to go YouTube or misout for anything else
Sorry interstellar was superb
So GW, as I’ve been banging on for a few years on a number of forums:it is possible for a TT game company to have a sensible digital strategy that enhances the physical products!
Well done Mantic, great investment that will draw new people in.
I really like videogames, and maybe I’m alone in this, but I have zero interest in seeing you guys play them. I don’t come to BoW for videogames.
That being said, I’d love if you played a tabletop Mordheim campaing.
If Warhammer turned into a skirmish game I’m sure I’d play it (if I could find opponents) but I would be seriously upset if I can’t continue to use most of my models. Hard to see the need for 30+ skeletons at once in a skirmish game (etc.). As for continuing to play 8th after it is supported: yes its a nice theory but in practice the player base would inevitably drop, making it harder to play games. Its already a struggle to find opponents now with so many other games competing for people’s time. Even if people did continue… Read more »
Agreed. I’ve seen it happen too many times with other games not to be realistic about what will happen.
If the community moved to a still supported game, such as Kings of War, there would be nothing stopping you from continuing to use your minis in that system, especially as a lot of the Mantic minis are almost direct copies of GW minis. However it would be nice to see them include a unit or army builder system into their game, that way we could take advantage of all those models they don’t have rules for.
as Ronnie said ‘make it so’ yes to dreadball being the first with a side show of X wing
The only downside with steam is that technically you don’t own the games you buy!
Why would you want to own them anyway, the resale value is never very much, as the market moves on so rapidly the game you may have played to death in 6-9 months is ‘well old’ (using modern vernacular). You purchase the rights to use the software in the way it has been designed to be used, so really you only own the DVD and cover, not the software! I’ve only just been made aware of Steam from this clip, looking it up, I see that the price of the games compared to outright buying it on DVD is very… Read more »
Still own every game I’ve ever bought, so resale value has never crossed my mind and I’ve always preferred having a copy to stick on my shelf.
thanks to you guys im now a backstager and father Christmas has got me armoured fury
great episode, btw im a vintage player who stills prefer the paperwork, and also his rosters and similars, will be great a livesesions of games of saga or Dreadball like a campaing or season, haha.
The army/roster lists would be great if they could produce a PDF to print out.
Dreadball day!!!!