Warren declares “Ultramarines was Pants!” SHOCKER!
January 14, 2011 by warzan
Having just watched the movie I felt compelled to write up my feelings, but opted to sleep on them first, as I feel like I'm kind of the only dissenting voice here in the studio. The other crew members either don’t agree, don't really care or think I may be getting kranky in my old age!
But having thought about it, I can't hold it in any longer. Grab your hard hats... cos here's what I think!
The Packaging
When I first got my hands on the box, I really liked the product Codex Pictures had put together (I got the special edition version from John, which he covered here), its a very high quality package and it really did build a sense of buzz.
The inclusion of the comic book was great, but I'm a sucker for graphic novels... even more so if they're 40K (curse you Boom! Studios)
The Movie
Now, I'm getting the feeling that I may be a victim of my own experience. However, I've worked in digital media for what seems like forever and when you've been at it that long, you just can't help noting all the little errors. Albeit, the ones I spotted, were mostly just niggly technical things... still, for me, they made the movie uncomfortable watching...
The Setup
I thought I would play the movie on my setup at home, a 42" LCD with stereo sound, mainly to give me some peace to enjoy it, but also to see it as the vast majority of viewers will see it.
Picture
For me, the picture seemed to lack clarity, but this is not surprising, as its only DVD resolution. Certainly a release on Bluray should be razor sharp and I suspect that Codex Pictures may be doing a "George Lucas" impression and aiming for two bites of the fanboy cherry... sneaky... 🙂
Sound
I remember when the team we sent to the previews, came back from London. They gushed like schoolgirls over the immersive sound quality, they heard during movie.
However, when I played it, the sound seems to have suffered after being mixed down to stereo... which is unfortunate. This became clear to me from the opening scene, where I was forced to rewind the show a couple of times, just to hear what was going on.
Edit - Lloyd has threatened to set me down in front of his stupidly expensive home cinema setup, to see if that changes my mind. If the audio is as good as he says, I'm sure it will.
Cinematics
From the outset of the movie, I found that scenes felt very claustrophobic... and not in a good way!
It’s clear that budget constraints have meant that epic alien vistas were going to be off the agenda, but I found the constant fog to be a little cheap in its execution and it felt really deliberate, rather than a natural part of the movie... again... I'm forced to wonder if that’s just because I know why it’s there!
Graphics and Animation
I've been prepared for some time, to be forgiving on the graphics and animation front and I've never really expected Ultramarines to be a Pixar-level, mind-blowing experience, but having said that, I was disappointed at the lack of attention to detail.
For example, I think the Chaos Marines looked incredibly bland. Not only that, but here and there some of the textures looked very low res. One scene in particular had a close up of a Chaos Marine's face, which looked like rotting flesh (well... it was supposed to be anyway) with a shoddy gloss texture applied to it, which just brought me crashing out of the moment.
There were also moments where graphically Codex hit the nail spot on. I just wish the levels had been a little more consistent, to help me stay absorbed in the story.
If I had to sum the animation up in one word, it would be "fine", but again the devil is in the detail. Certainly the film had severe issues with uncanny valley, and I’m not sure the 'cutting edge' face tracking system used can replace the work of a good animator.
The movement of the characters was on the whole, good, but little things (like no footprints) jolt you out of the story.
Some scenes just felt unnatural, like the Marines jumping, leaping and generally pirouetting across the broken bridge... the sense of weight and power was lost in these scenes and it all ended up looking a little silly.
Ultimately of course, none of this matters... as I was telling the crew here in the studio... I would be quite happy to see Ultramarines become a TV series (like clone wars) and perhaps over time the vast majority of these little problems could be ironed out.
I really hope Codex have a go a pitching it to some of the TV channels as I think "Ultramarines the Animated Series" could be absolutely massive... both for Codex and the hobby in general!
However... all this brings me to the stuff that I think really needs to be fixed...
The Plot
I can see the meeting now...
Codex- "Dan (Dan Abnett) we need something epic... I mean truly epic! Can you go off and think us up a story that will blow people away"
Dan- "No problem I'm your man! I have this idea for a massive Macragge style battle where a chapter of Ultramarines are making a desperate last stand down to the last few men"
Codex - "Great idea Dan, unfortunately our team says its too much for the budget"
Dan- "Oh... In that case what about a desperate battle where a few squads of Ultramarines... with land raiders and landspeeders and dreadnoughts, battling through the streets of an imperial city, kicking ass!"
Codex- "More great ideas Dan! But we need to keep it to about 10 characters in total, also non flying vehicles are a no go, as they are tricky to animate. So no landraiders, tanks or dreadnoughts I'm afraid.”
Dan- "Right... OK... so what about a big squad of Ultramarine terminators, sent to a Space Hulk to fight the xenos scum! Everyone loves terminators right!"
Codex- "Great idea Dan we just don't think the budget is going to stretch to doing a space hulk. There's a bit too much modelling required and sorry, but xenos are out too. Once we have modelled the Space Marines, we would like to reuse the models if possible"
Dan- "Um OK... what about a small squad of Marines sent to save a few survivors who are... well ... also Marines from a place where there is lots of dead... umm... Marines from an evil force of... well... evil Chaos Marines... we could have a landspeeder in there as it flies and thunderhawks fly too"
Codex- "Dan your Genius knows no bounds mate!"
While the above is a total piss-take (it's obvious that I was not party to the conversation), my little skit does show how budget is the ultimate arbiter in these things... imagination is easy... its execution that’s hard!
Despite the many constraints that obviously had a hand in shaping the plot, I think the core idea was pretty good and still held promise.
So why is it that the film lacked all trace of humanity and soul?
I think this is the crux for me... I love movies and stories... I get sucked in effortlessly, but watching this I just felt like an independent observer. I didn't manage to connect in any meaningful way to any of the characters or even the situation they found themselves in. The relationships between the characters seemed so forced that almost every word they uttered seemed contrived and cliché.
So, how much does budget effect these things?
Well... this is where I have no clear answer, because these things are nailed through the talent of the team and talent is budget related... but not always!
The power of the voice acting was almost completely lost on me, because it lacked any sort of humanity. I know Abnett can bring us "Humanity" -- with a capital H, as one of my favourite characters of all time was Gabriel Lokan from the Horus Heresy series... so what happened?
To truly enjoy this movie... and I mean truly enjoy it... you either have to be under the age of 13 (where it's only bolter fire and posing that matter), or have a personality type, where you find it difficult to relate to others (again posing will probably be enough... but you no-doubt like gunfire too).
Is this a gross generalisation? You bet your Nelly it is! But I think you'll find it’s not far off the mark... even if some of the crew here look like they want to bash me!
In Conclusion
Of course the elephant in the room is that 80% of the fluff from Games Workshop is exactly like this, so perhaps I am in the minority and the movie hits the mark exactly.
Then it struck me, for these last few years I have been trying to understand why 40K has never made it to the big (or small) screen. I wondered was it because of the cost of the special effects, or maybe a lack of contacts in Hollywood, but now I wonder if it’s simply because it has little to no soul, no human element that we can connect with or feel moved by. Could it be that anyone who’s looked at it can't find the human component that would allow it to appeal to the rest of the world as a story.
Perhaps it’s a universe that’s just high on tiny unimportant details, heavy on cliché... you know... all that stuff that makes us both cringe and ecstatic at the same time, but is missing a soul... something that will ultimately make it all feel juvenile and absent of the key ingredients that would carry it to the silver screen.
Perhaps a good director only needs the setting and can give it the humanity and characters we can endear to, but for me this movie just didn't.
BoW Warren
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My eyes…my eyes….smurf pants…and no warning
For the time and money allotted to this movie, I thought they were able to get a lot done. The end result was really good with these considerations. But I’ll be honest, it wasn’t great. There wasn’t enough production time, film time or money to make it great. Despite this, I really liked it, it was a good beginning. But I’m extremely forgiving and understanding of others, a failing I’m sure. The modelling was excellent for the guns, the character modelling and animation, only average. I’m a video game developer, 3D modelling specifically so I do know what goes on… Read more »
o.k just so you know Warren I wasn’t entirley sold on it. Graphics weren’t great and story had a few wholes in it. like how a unit of ten ultramarines could succeed where a company of imperial fists could. Having said that what did sell it too me was the amasing voice acting, especially from john hurtz (Burn Heretics!), the really good soundtrack and its overall epic atmosphere. Which is why I bought John’s second copy off him the other day. He said he’s lent it to you in the mean time. No rush i just really want to see… Read more »
Well you will need to wait it’s going on my Surround Sound for a blast first 🙂
(SPOILER) I think that the fact that the Imperial fists were slaughtered is because of that there was some kind of warp gate opened and daemons poured out. When the Ultramarines came the storm was mostly over, so they only faced a bunch a marines that remained behind. Mithron was a trap, that is also why the two marines of the Imperial Fists survived.
p.s I hope those aren’t your pants up there. if they are where can i get a pair? haha maybe they should come with the bluray releases. that will make john’s next unboxing interesting
I had issues with the movie on my surround sound, in the end I just stuck it on 2 channel audio as otherwise the voice track is STUPIDLY QUIET! Which is a tad irritating, but this was one of only two complaints the second being the p&p charge.
All in all loved it.
Hmm. It’s a difficult one to answer as the scope and scale of 40K demnds the cliche. Small characters take time to develop. How, for example, do you get Ciphas Cain on screen? It’s not enough to have Rowan Atkinson play him. There are plenty of small characters in 40K who are human. Kryptman? Yarrick? Cadian commanders reading Imperial Armour 9 at the moment Lugft Huron has a very rich background and could easily be developed as a character, then there’s Dan’s own beauties: Larkin, Brag, Domor, Gaunt himself? We’d be able to affinitize with any of those characters. The… Read more »
I second Titanicus…
I find it also a bit lame of you Warren that you now all of a sudden start hating the movie and basically call 40K crap.
I wrote it because I love 40K not because I hate it, read deeper 😉
To be honest this was really a fan aimed film, this was made purely for the fans to gush over however i have to agree that it wasn’t executed very well. For what it is the movie hasn’t much of a story (marines go from point A to point B and go back to A again). One of my family members said that the whole thing was one big trailer, and I have to agree this is Codex showing the world what is possible with the 40K universe. If Hollywood has a look at this and thinks “hmm theres something… Read more »
I’ll come out and say I thought it was OK.
I’m not a big 40K fan, but I watched it with my brother who plays a bit with his Blood Angels army. We grabbed a couple of beers and despite talking over most of it and laughing at the antics of the “jumping marines”, it wasn’t so bad… I’ve certainly seen much worse…
Then again I had no preconceptions about the film at all and I haven’t picked up a GW book in any serious way for 15 years… so what does that tell you… 😀
BoW Andy
This is why I love Warren most 🙂
I agree with a lot of that Warren, I was very disappointed with this movie – overall I can’t help feeling it was a wasted opportunity and I’m surprised how much other people seem to like it. I don’t care too much that it didn’t look as good as other animated movies, as story comes first for me, but the story told here was dull and stretched really thin. I think the 40K universe is fantastic and full of potential, and I have no doubts that a truly great 40K movie can be made some day – I just don’t… Read more »
I think a lot of people say they like the movie because they are hoping the next one will get better and have a bigger budget if enough people show interest and let GW now there is money in this.
If there are too much nay-sayers GW would just be like: “Told you so” and we might have to wait another 20 years for a new movie.
Considering Ultramarines, I could wait another 20 years.
I liked the movie but…… The rinkled faces sucked. The face software was over hypped a ton. The Deamon was really poorly done, awful really. Except when he was sctraching runes. The Marines where weightless. The boots should have pounded. The image was to soft, and the color was very low. Everybody turn up the color settings on your TV for it and you’ll be happier. The walking stance of the marines was weird. They looked like they were sneaking. I don’t know what Darrel meant by claustrophobic but to me it was weird that only one squad was one… Read more »
This was SUPPOSED to be made for the fans… Tell me fans; what Imperial Fist company would dare hold a relic of such importance in a fortress of that utter awfulness? A WOODEN bridge? Seriously… An entire starship that carries only 1 squad of marines? And how freaking OLD were these guys? Holy crap, if you give the service studs per hundred years, for a space marine at least, the apothecary should have looked like the captain! A freaking desert?! In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war…. Every freakin novel tells about huge hive cities… Read more »
To be fair to codex FF had a budget about 100x in size (I’m not joking here) and it was a flop at the box office. I’m not sure if it’s made it’s money back even yet.
Trying to make a 40k feature length animation with big name voice actors on that budget is a nonsense … a waste of time and effort, a major disappointment to fans and it tars the IP with a cheap and nasty history when it comes time to pitch the idea to people outside the fanbase. Better to use the Dawn of War intros as examples of the potential and if you can’t raise the interest then don’t bother.
Wait. So the movie was that poorly recieved?? does anyone have any links? I know it wasn’t Great but I still enjoyed it! I want there to be more atempts until they get it Perfect!
If nothing else it was good to see something on screen from the 40K universe, last thing I remember was some space hulk type video I had way back when. My main issue (as a chaos player) seems that the black legion were extras from a 80s Arnie movie.
Black legionnaire – so what do I do here
Director – well you run about a bit, shout a bit, shoot very badly, then fall down dead, oh and tell those 200 guys over there to do the same thing
Without having seen the movie i totally agree to Warrens conclusion. Warhammer (40k) didn’t have a soul. But it doesnt need one either. I once watched an interview from the guys that made the Warhammer Fantasy MMO and he said: “We were looking for an excuse for our players to battle everything, everytime they want. Than we found it: Warhammer!” And thats it.The only reason for the whole “In the future, there is only war….” thing is “because we can”. But it doesn’t matter, well? All we want is grab our armies and kick some butt, or we like the… Read more »
MY EYES Seriously though, I watched the movie and it was a outstanding “Meh” for me. I found the Graphics alright believe it or not, it was the massive holes in the plot that killed the movie for me. “Why did the Imperial Fists hold this artefact in an easily takable place? why did the new Ultramarines squad – on their first mission – preformed better than a hundred Imperial Fist verterans? why did they STILL take the artefact to Macragge when finding out its really a Warp Gate that would spell the end of the planet if they take… Read more »
I’m not totally on your side Warren. Ok, the graphics wasn’t that great and the animation wasn’t good in some of the scenes(its funny, I think the walking sucked, but the action animations were nice). The Characters looked very similar (there are scenes where I couldn’t divide between the captain and the Apothecary because they both looked like bald, old drunkards ). But I think the overall atmosphere was creepy and fitted 40k. The movie had enough action and was entertaining. I liked the story and don’t think it was only kept only on a smaller scale because of the… Read more »
Warren I agree with you on a lot of things. I felt it was going to be difficult with the budget and it was nice to see a warhammer movie, but it still was lacking a bit.
The graphics were sometimes nice but generally not great, but this isn’t something we can criticise too heavily because of budget, though as you said the constant cloud was a bit cheap.
I think the only thing I disagree with you on is the voice acting: I felt that was pretty good.
You want 40k with soul? I give you Inquisitor, small group so character is to the fore, the bizarre aspects of the 40k universe are easily displayed and you can have Space Marines as well, probably more effectively since the mix of marines and normal people will emphasise the scale of a marine.
Oh come on! That picture should have a warning label, woof.
I thought the film was good, not amazing, but good, especially for the budget. It had some excellent little touches (fluff related) that were excellent. The story did feel rushed and could have been so much better (with more time and a bigger budget). A film of the Space Wolves books would be good (in my opinion).
So I think I do agree with Warren in some respects. It was more Aliens 3 than Aliens!
10/10 for the review, agree 100% but -10000% for the pic, I’ve never seen anything so disturbing (insert being sick smilie here) 🙂
40k is all about scope; you have 3/4 of the galaxy run by the imperium, planets populated by billions upon billions of people, and space ships the size of Ireland. When I saw that the that the trailers were focusing on tight shots and closups I was skeptical about whether or not the film would capture the most essential (in my opinion) aspect of this fictional world. I dont want giant closeups of space marine faces talking to me about warrior philosophy, the nature of heroism, and whatever other insipid rants these idealists go on. I haven’t seen the film… Read more »
Hey Warren, this was the response I was expecting from you guys initially after checking out UltraMarines for myself.
Personally, I feel the way Ultramarines turned out is the exact reason why GW never made a movie before. And honestly, if the next movie is going to be like this – they can keep it.
If I was Games Workshop, I would have given some studio in Japan the License to do a 45min animated short story and be done with it.
Oh, for the love of god, no. The last thing we need is another Halo Legends.
Personally, with something like this you either need to go big or go home. GW was afraid that this movie would do poorly so it didn’t provide the resources CODEX required to make a truly good 40k movie, and as a result it became a self-fulfilling prophesy; this movie was doomed from the start. It is sad, but true.
who watches movies in stereo? foot the bill and get yourself a proper 5.1 receiver.