agreed i like the way you guys look at rules who said i cant burn myself try to burn someone els!

I don’t think it’s good that you just look for cheese. Because in the future we will never can play a game anymore without discussions about think’s like that. I mean how can he put his flamer behind his self and shoot with it.

but what if there are many guys close to the your base can you then turn the template round so the circle is touching the base ???

for vehicles you could moddel the guns so they reach accross the bord so you can shoot from turn 1 😀

I would say this is cheese hunting. I don’t see how it would be physically possible for a model to hold a flamer behind themselves, perfectly perpendicular to their body, and pull the trigger. That said, if you and your opponent agree to this before the match, then game on. I would be a little pissed off if my opponent attempted a “self flame” before a friendly agreement was made on the subject. In general, a player cannot willfully harm his or her own units (special rules aside). By this logic you could argue that the flamer template could originate… Read more »

I see the point you’re getting at, and i can see there the rules laywers would agree. BUT i have to disagree all together cause baring special rules in specific armies (Summary Execution) you cannot shoot you’re own troops, unless it’s a weapon that can drift into them. So i would see this as you are purposing shooting you’re own troops to get more models in the template. It is not worded the best BUT interesting view 🙂

Let’s hope he doesn’t fart.

The rules state that you can’t touch any friendly models with the template, surely that includes the guy holding the thing (yes it needs to touch the base but you also need to measure range), this sort of thing would go against common sense and the obvious reasoning behind the rules. But are you wrong Darrell? Would you use this move against a friend?

Darrell i have to disagree with this as if you did this you would be touching the inside of te base which isnt the edge so i dont think you can pull this off i think the idea is that the model can fire in any place on the “edge” so if you imagined a load of templates it would kinda make a circle. I like the idea but its WRONG please argue i like arguing/debating

Darrell of course you are always right except this time ! i love your rule interpretations that cause a good discussion but this is one too far. I agree with a couple of the other comments if it is not physically possible to do it then it is not within the ‘spirit’ of the game and one thing i get the impression of with you guys at Beasts of War is that you do play within the ‘spirit’ of the game. Or not ?
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Flamer+cheese= fondue 🙂

this isn’t right. because the model firing would wind up under the template. yes the template must touch the base of the firing unit, however only those models which are either fully or partially under the template are hit. in darrells example only the marine is hit. the necrons are not. an interesting idea but completely wrong. sorry darrell i think you got excited with the idea without fully looking at the rules. “Instead of rolling to hit, simply place the template so the narrow end is touching the base of the model firing it and the rest of the… Read more »

Cheese hunting.

jarredmcg is absolutely correct and you darrel are absolutely wrong plus this is major cheese hunting, your never orignally going to think that unless you are just trying to find a cheesy but “legal” way to make yourself win every single game like a power player

Darrel is corrupted by the Forces of Chaos and must be purged -somone get the Inquisition over here!

Nice provocation, but a little to obvious. I would just laugh if someone tried to make this happen in a game…

This is definitely not in the spirit of the game, but aside from that: “Without touching any friendly models” is really the statement in question. Does this include the bearer of the weapon? I’d say that, yes, he is considered a friendly model so you can’t do this.

If you tried this against me though I’d let you do it as long as you took a hit as well since it seems like a fun bending of the rules. And of course what’s one more warrior against the small chance of downing the terminator?

I would never do this, since its indeed not in the spirit of the game, and it doesn’t make sense either. This smells! Bad.

Mmm… Toast and flamed cheese aka grilled cheese sandwich, yummy.
But I am sorry to say Darrel you are wrong. And ‘jarredmcg’ is right.
But enjoy your toast. And thanks for the idea. I’m going to go make myself a grilled cheese sandwich for lunch.

What was the email for ASK BOW? I can’t find it anywhere.

I have a question about the Holocaust pyskic power from the DaemonHunter codex. The rules state that you must place the 5” template in contact with the users base, and all models under it (Friend and Foe) are hit. I’m wondering how this could be useful in anyway other than baking my Grey Knights.

I took this video with a pinch of salt – I’m sure Darrell realises trying this on wouldn’t be advisable in a lot of gaming situations…

But I wonder if BoW need to perhaps have an extra video category and differentiate the standard Tips videos (which are genuinely useful) with the ‘how to bend the rules within an inch of their life’ videos?

I always find Darrell’s vids entertaining either way though. 🙂

Why you always ask “am I right guys?” if you always say that you are always right? Oh cocky Darrel, you are one hell of a character :/

Eehm, actually this effect can be achieved without the template being on the base of the firing model. As far as I know it hasn’t been mentioned that you are obliged to keep the template completely horizontally.

Page 29 of the BRB says you cant.