It only states the 1 grenade per unit rule for the shooting phase, it makes no remark about this limit for assaults.

Ironclad’s are front armor 13, so would still provide a reasonable roadblock as they are immune to Krak grenades until immobilized.

Dreadnoughts took a helluva hit with hull points, maybe they were slightly too tough to begin with but hull points combined with everyone throwing grenades about like its Call Of Duty reduce the viable targets for a dread way down to the units that don’t have krak grenade equivelents- which is really just eldar guardians, howling banshees etc and tau fire warriors, and they both supposedly get new codices early next year, so that might not be for long- anything else is pretty much guaranteed to glance a dread to death in short order .

true that walkers are littlebit less effective but
they can overwatch
if they have Dcl Cmb weap they have ap2 attacks on I value
so the thing that you use to destroy the walker can get hurt itself

I love Hull points, and its also funny that now players have their Dreadnoughts- even Ironclads- avoid my Firewarriors because they have EMP grenades.
Grancing to death is awesome.

Yup, this sucks for many dread players. I’m not too worried as I play Ironclads for assaulting and rifleman dreads in my backfield. The former are still pretty tough against anything that is S6 or below, and the latter rarely got assaulted. Definitely worse than before. The new rules really, really hurt vanilla marine players. The only new rule that helps my army is that Thunderfire Cannons are no longer vehicles and are tough to wound.

I think that change was more or less fair if you consider that Walkers with Frontarmor 13 often cost 50 percent of an infantry squad. Even now, you still need someone with a powerfist or meltabombs to win close combat. Powerfists may become more seldom because of the new challenges, and you can still support the walker with a cheap character that challenges the opponents powerfistguy. Two or more Close-Combat Walkers together are still a tough nut to crack for almost all infantry squads and all kinds of vehicles as well. Another major change is the new rules for Transports.… Read more »

I only ever used rifle dreads and furioso’s which I will stick to as they havn’t got to bad.

I have always said that hull points have made vehicles weaker, finally someone agrees lol

I don’t think vehicles are weaker in absolute terms, there are advantages to hull points, like not losing functionality (weapon destroyed/immobilised) from glances. I’d say hull points have made vehicles worth their points. The Rhino can be wrecked more easily by small arms, but you’d still need a decent anti-tank weapon to be likely to destroy it in one shot. At the other end of the scale the Land Raider is about as easy to wreck as in 5th (standard 3 weapons and mobility, vs 4 hull points), but keeps kicking longer, which is ultimately what you want in a… Read more »

I posted this before under another topic, but it bears repeating: I think the hull points make vehicles less survivable. When you think about it, with the old rules you would sometimes glance, and you could roll and damage something, or get shaken or stunned. Now you get three glances and most vehicles are useless. I play Sisters of Battle, and their Penitent engine would ignore vehicle shaken and stunned, but now it doesn’t matter, since three glaces kill it. Also, they forgot Overwatch for the Dread, and the Dread would attack before the powerfist, since he would attack on… Read more »

As a Tyranid player I don’t see how it was fair in 6th edition for my 30 Hormagaunts to get tied up by one Dreadnought.

Hmmm. Those marines had Krak grenades giving them Strength 6 against the Dread. Most infantry don’t have Krak grenades, I believe?

I’m new to 40k but I thought only models in base to base could have attacked with Krak grenades and overwatch was not done so that could have made a difference possibly tying up combat for another round

Ahhh that terrain, it,s just beautiful. I’ve tried making something similar with foam and a hot wire cutter. Doesn’t even come close to this. Pretty pretty please show us soon how you made it. What colors you used and so on…I’d rather play 6th edition on terrain like this than 5th on my own board. Yers I know this doesn’t say anything just trying to get them to show us mortals how they did it.

Did I mention that I like the terrain, you guys even managed to get colors in all the little cracks. Can’t see any blue foam anywhere (or pink or whatever you guys used).

I run an ironclad in a drop pod and it is very survivable, especially in terrain with defensive granades. Doble flamers scare most units into not assaulting.

The core weak point in the rules is that units are locked in melee.

If all units could break off from combat, then 40K would be a much more sci-fi kind of game.

I quite like the new Hull Pt changes. You can’t just spam all your vehicles & win like in 5th Ed. You have to be more thoughtful with your pts, because still: you need some vehicles. Vindicators & Lemons are almost standard now with their ability to blast away that pesky group of 10 termies in one go. Something no one else mentioned is how great the hull pts system works for APOCALYPSE games! No more endless recordings of WD’s, immobilised results & so on. A simple change is just: all vehicles get +1 HP. A glance takes away 1HP,… Read more »

Although its correct, dreads in general are more squishy now, I still think Furioso’s , especially death company ones with blood talons, are still worth fielding, and very much worth the points costs.

A lot of the examples given are patently ridiculous; you can’t consider one unit in isolation when you field many. You can’t just throw fresh units at each other since it’s perfectly reasonable to expect that they’ll have taken some damage. Personally I think the Hull Point system is a good way of balancing vehicles, saying Land Raiders got harder I disagree with entirely, previous to 6th you could glance one 20 times and it would quite happily continue rolling all over your face. Now it can take 4 maximum ever. It’s still not soft, but it’s not taking the… Read more »