25pts Khador List from Declan Lowry
February 20, 2012 by beerogre
Video Sopnsors: Battle Foam - Infinity
Declan has submitted another Warmachine list for us to peruse... what will the guys think of his new Khador army?
February 20, 2012 by beerogre
Video Sopnsors: Battle Foam - Infinity
Declan has submitted another Warmachine list for us to peruse... what will the guys think of his new Khador army?
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well by getting the butcher you gain a point so you dont need to drop the wardog
You say to submit lists for this type of review. Where?
In a previous video they said to send them to [email protected]
thanks
Right guys, the suggestion that Sorcha isn’t a great starter caster just isn’t true. Between Wind Rush for mobility & DEF and Fog of War to help out DEF; she has the goods for a starter to run around and is pretty survivable. On average she sits on DEF 20 against both ranged and melee if you take the old doggie for a point. She makes Khador’s slow stuff fairly OK by speeding it up and has both knockdown and freeze effects for assassination runs. If I can I’d like to suggest an alternate 25 pnt expanded list based on… Read more »
5 + 9 + 9 + 1 + 2 + 6 + 3 = 35.
You’re 10 points over your stated target.
Baummonster below is correct, casters and warlocks add points to an army.
http://www.forwardkommander.com/
Is a great resource for list building.
Nope it actually is 25. You dont add up the 5 points from Sorscha, you substract them from the first warjack
@brass – As I’ve said time and again, “bad” is a very relative term in Warmachine.
The Butcher is just a much better Warcaster to start off with…
1) Better (if not THE BEST) melee power
2) Higher ARM (he won’t die as readily to Fire) and good DEF with Iron Flesh
3) More damage boxes
4) In small point games, he’s a One-Man-Army, with Reach and Weaponmaster thrown in.
5) Has some potent warjack buffs
6) A feat that boosts melee and ranged attack damage
Compared to Sorscha he’s the complete package and very strong at 15pts.
@beerogre Hey Andy, I would agree that the Butcher is a simpler caster to learn, than Sorscha is. But what the Butcher can’t get around is the biggest Khador weakness. They are slower than cold molasses. This means that khador under the butcher still has the problem that they can’t get their hitting power where they need it. I on the other hand would always suggest Vladimir the Dark Prince as a starting point for khador. He is still a melee monster under blood of kings (not as much as the butcher okay but still….) and he has the best… Read more »
Now I love me a bit of Butcher, but as Knubbl points out bellow he’s slow. I think for starting players slow casters, you can’t over extend are a tough play (I speak from experience with my first casters a year or two ago being Sorcha, Butcher, eBucther and Karchev). In smaller games especially movement shenanigans and assassination runs are business of the day. In this world butcher has a few enemies that mean a lot of his self buffing and focus mean nothing. One of the most widespread solos out there is the two Eiryss. The epic version in… Read more »
Why not consider Harkevich? if you are just starting with the battlebox, but havent assembled anything yet buy harkeich and the black ivan upgrade so the force would now be
harkevich (5 WJP)
Juggernaught – 7
Black Ivan – 10
5 Manowar shock troopers – 9
Manowar Kovnik – 3
wardog – 1
this gives you 25 points, plus tier 2 on Harkevichs tier list.
harkevich and black ivan is an amazing combo, broadside allowing the bombard, shield cannon, harkys gun and axe cannon to fire twice, you could let the kovnik jack marshall the jugger if you want for the drive.
thoughts?
If someone is wanting to build on what you get from the 2 player set, then I don’t really see why people are suggesting the Jacks to be anything other than the Jug and Destroyer. The Butcher has the signature Iron Flesh spell that is so loved by Khador, and is a relatively straight forward caster to play, in addition to giving out that extra Jack Point, making him a solid choice. With the boxed set, he has the added bonus of having a unit that can block LoS to him. If you’re wanting a change from Sorsha, he’s certainly… Read more »
you are right of course that the war dog only gives +2 def in melee but wind rush and fog of war and you are on 20 def against ranged and magic attacs
The one thing you really need to look out for is being knocked down or having someone slammed through the poor old girl.
for newbies, that 1 point could be used for reinholdt gobber speculator. You can pre measure which will be huge for newbies.