Plastic Soldier Tease New Battlegroup CENTAG Supplement
November 8, 2022 by brennon
The Plastic Soldier Company has teased a new supplement coming for those wanting to play out some Cold War battles. CENTAG is on the way that comes with new army lists for use with Battlegroup Northag.
Battlegroup CENTAG // The Plastic Soldier Company
This new set of army lists is going to be coming out soon alongside a host of new miniatures to go alongside it. I had to look this up but CENTAG refers to a NATO military formation that features troops from Canada, West Germany and the United States.
This, therefore, offers up some neat options for those wanting to build up another united front during that Cold War period and the threat of the Soviets from the Eastern Front. If you're interested in learning a bit more about CENTAG then you can have a peek at the Wiki entry!
It will be interesting to see what miniatures come out for this new supplement. I don't think it would be a bad bet to say lots and lots of tanks!
What are you hoping to see?
"It will be interesting to see what miniatures come out for this new supplement..."
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Got the rules, will be picking up these expanded army lists (as the core rules only have the British and Russian forces). PSC and the Rules’ authors have sensibly kept the timeframe in the early 80s (so the Abrams (105mm gun), and the Challenger are about to come into service (but the main tanks are still the Chieftan and M60s). For the West Germans and the Dutch I guess they’ll be fielding the Leopard 1 (and well as a fair few M113s along with the Americans). This timeframe was probably the most dangerous for NATO as the technology gap hadn’t… Read more »
GHQ all the way for me. Nothing beats their models – at any scale. (West) Germans should be able to have Leopard II by then, as they were in service by the early 1980s.
“First Clash” is a great book for a look at the Canadian perspective of this period. Written originally for training purposes, it was later released in hardback and paperback version. It was required reading.
Not really, if we take early 1984 as our baseline then West Germany had accepted about 500 Leopard 2s (the total order was 2125 with the last being delivered in 1991). At the same time Germany had about 1200 Leopard 1s on the books (and these were being upgraded to the Leopard 1A5 with the armour upgrades. So not all formations were equipped with the Leopard 2s). Just like the US and the UK Germany was shifting to a new MBT, however the process to the nations took up until the early 90s before it was totally complete (although West… Read more »
Yeah, the quality of the GHQ is what makes the difference. I used to be one of their catalogue painters, too, so I have pretty solid technique for painting them. I do commissions for a select group to keep up. It’s different painting 1:285 scale. I served in the early 1990s, as an armoured recce officer; I am very familiar with the Leopard program from both the Canadian perspective and the German. The Canadians did something fun: when the aging Leopard fleet needed upgrades, we bought whole tanks, took the upgraded turrets off, and put them on the existing lower… Read more »
I am still hopeful for Leopard IIs , as they certainly were there. And “rules” are a jumping off point for me; how things compare in “the game” will inform how to build scenarios. Rules be damned, I say! ? After Bosnia, Canada brought back 6 T-72s; four were used as range test targets. The Leopard C2 was putting rounds through-and-through them, not APFSDS either, solid shot. Granted, a Leopard C2 had thin armour – they were designed to be fast, not mobile castles. So it would come down to getting the shot off first. Of course, Canadian crews were… Read more »
Naturally I’ll be fielding 4CMBG; really looking forward to this. The “Flames of Fantasy Team ‘Merica” gong show isn’t even close to reality for what the Canadians used, so I hope that @piers does this right.
Germans should have Leopard II by then, as the training versions were in service by 1978/79.
Well, you’ll certainly be fielding the Leopard 1 then (they didn’t replace them until 2010 (not sure on that one?). Ofc the Leopard 1s were extensively updated from their original 1979 version by then (although in 1983, which is NORTHAG/CENTAG period they’ll still be the original A2/A3 versions). The last Chieftain in the British army left service in 1995, so it takes a while for nations to replace their MBTs.
Yes, it was late into Afghanistan when the Leopard IIA6M(CAN) was leased. See above for the C1/C2/MEXAS upgrade story. Also, the Canadians in 4CMBG had mortars NOT mounted in M113s, Lynx recce vehicles were everywhere; the Blowpipe MANPAD was carried in MILCOT 3/4 ton pickup Chevy pickup trucks. ADATS wasn’t in CENTAG. If you need any info on 4CMBG, I have mountains of it. The last three years prior to retirement I spent in the archives and museum of the second largest military museum in Canada. I worked with the regular force armoured regiment there, as it was my affiliated… Read more »
Ooh will be interesting to see what they bring out to battle with/against.
CentAG included army lists…
US Army Armored Battlegroup
West German Armoured Battlegroup
Canadian Battlegroup
Danish Mechanised Battlegroup
Dutch Armoured Battlegroup
VDV Soviet Airborne Battlegroup
Soviet Naval Infantry Battlegroup
Warsaw Pact Battlegroup – allowing players to field East German, Czech or Polish Battlegroups
CentAG book includes the following army lists for use with NorthAG…
US Army Armored Battlegroup
West German Armoured Battlegroup
Canadian Battlegroup
Danish Mechanised Battlegroup
Dutch Armoured Battlegroup
VDV Soviet Airborne Battlegroup
Soviet Naval Infantry Battlegroup
Warsaw Pact Battlegroup – allowing players to field East German, Czech or Polish Battlegroups
Sounds good? @piers – Anita at PSC is projecting June vs. your January; any thoughts?
I REALLY hope you got the Canadians right. Flames of Fantasy Team ‘Merica are horribly off. Like, not even useable.
I was told January last week when discussing Battlegroup releases for next year.
Its only waiting on pics… been written for over two years.
Of course… its also waiting for miniatures to release with it…….
Excellent – thank you!