June 14, 2013 by warzan
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Warren is ready to move on to the next stage of his adventures in Flames of War. Joining him is our resident Time Lord David. Today the guys are ready for some man-on-man action as the German Infantry Sections from the Open Fire! starter box face off against their Allied counterparts.
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What a sight to behold. Keep it up medic David.
Time to break out the Tank hunters David or call in the RAF.
I’ve tried a game of Muskets and Tomahawks, that had a very similar mechanic when it came to combat. The melee was fought out until it reached conclusion. It gives a real brutal feel to the game.
Muskets vs Tomahawks.
Isn’t that a tad broken. The soldiers will need plenty of cover to hunker down against the P-40s to have any chance..
Time to break out… just break out 😀
Oh and when I say 8inches for spacing due to command … i mean 6…. I don’t know why i said 8.. I was measuring 6
Very impressive looking. I guess the stugs can’t be out flanked if they span the whole table! Nothing a few bananas (in the exhausts) wouldn’t sort out : ) Achtung eine Banane!
I love this series. Great at explaining the basic concepts. But also hinting at the more complex rules. Great to see Dave’s medical collection. Keep these coming. If I am not mistaken the Germans have some Panzer riders called Begliet Assault Platoon. Be great to see some crazy guys hanging on for dear life during the charge of the Stugs.
Yay! Another FoW episode. Love it!
Just got started with the game myself, and yes, its all your fault 😉
A question. You say that you only get the benefit from the wall and that it won’t get give the concealment to the enemy troops if you’re up right against it. But only two of your bases where up against it, and two where behind them. How does that work?
And yes, I really do need to read the rulebook, but I’m too busy painting infantry at the moment…
If the guns where in range and he could see them (2d terrain makes this a little harder to visualize), he could shoot through my guys at the wall into the guys behind… and yes they would lower the “to hit” of the whole platoon… its not a good idea to keep guys that would lower your platoon near those with the benefits.
It only takes ONE base to lower it for EVERYONE in the platoon…. fun fun fun
“29, Let’s Go!” Thanks first to David for the little bit of a history lesson. I’m sure many viewers no longer have relatives living who can recount firsthand their experiences in the Second World War, but enthusiasts like David help keep that (very important) period of history alive. Great content and great episode guys! Good gaming!
Loving this series. Might actually end up playing some historical lol. It’s either going to be Flames of War or Bolt Action.
Great episode, must say to David don’t let Warren ignore you, be more assertive and call him up on things, particularly thinking of first set of saves, you told him to roll 3 on one guy and 4 on the other, he then just rolled 7 and took two off when you had told him to roll separately,
Can’t wait for you to teach warren stormtrooper moves, he’s going to love that rule.
How are the Stugs called ? Nacht Wölfe Panzer Fänge ?
Brilliant stuff. Thanks so much for showing us your uniform, David! Loved it.
Think warren ment to say: nacht wolfe panzer zhan.
Zhan= tooth
I´m german so take my word for it if i say: Panzerzahn translates as tank-tooth. If you want to say panzer fangs you say Panzer Fänge, the “ä” is pronounced like the “ae” in Faery. Also its not pronounced “Saaan” ^^ but “Tsaan”.
On the video: great work guys!
Naja, Zähn, Fäng, Fangzähne was denn nun? Also alles passt, Fänge heißen halt die Zähne von Raubtieren.
Well, teeth, fangs what now? So everything fits fangs are the teeth’s of predators.
Hab dich ja nur bestätigt und eine Aussprachhilfe gegeben ^^.
Don´t mind us germans, just a friendly discussion. 🙂
What a fantastic opening to a video. The authentic uniform and the medkit collection is really impressive. Thanks Dave for sharing. Great video guys. Was looking forward to the infantry spot. If you have a minute to clarify a rule for me (I only started playing a couple of months ago and have had to read this over many times), when a team is entirely inside area terrain, to target the team must you be within 6″ of the team or must there just be less than 6″ of area terrain between you? One last thing…2 weeks is too long… Read more »
any team that straddles on the edge of area terrain can be seen by troop on the same side of that terrain, but is out of line of sight to teams on the far side of the area terrain.
teams COMPLETELY within area terrain (that is taller than the both the shooting team and its target) cannot be see or be seen by teams more than 6″ away. Any team beyond 6″ is out of line of sight.
If a team is in the same terrain piece they can only see teams up to 6″ away.
I hope that makes more sence
Thanks for the clarification. I think i got it now. It’s the *taller than both shooting team and target” I have got to remember.
Its good that Warren is so enthusiastic on FOW. This brings more playing videos.
between you and the cub chairman and crew I’m struggling to wait till I’ve rounded off my current projects (wraith army for eldar and my khadoran journeyman) to buy anything and this would be my first look at historical games keep up the good work lads :D! also v nice kit David however it begs the question… do you have another kit you’re hiding?
I knew the bright silver stugs with the giant red wolf on the side were coming. Harry Turtledove would be proud. When you are ready to build your Nazi bell Warren, let me know, I’ll ship you a 15mm scale version of the liberty bell straight from Philadelphia that you can use as a stuka. In the mean time enjoy butchering history. In any event I wouldn’t suggest driving those things down an open road in broad day light because they would become dust very quickly to allied fighter bombers.
Is really GREAT the you guys are doing this, is really NICE!, but can u guys read the rules a little bit before playing, you guys are killing this game for real, making so many mistakes is just gone confuse all the new players; and that’s no fear, so please just read little bit and go over what u guys doing before the making. That will be really helpful specially for those new guys the don`t know about the game and looking your videos for a learning and understanding of the game! Thanks!!
How exactly are they killing it? I had no interest in this game then I watched their vids. The way both Dave and Warren have done the videos, although maybe not accurate according to you, have made me now purchase a copy of the starter set. So how is that exactly killing the game? They’ve made it interested and not anal.
And Warren the Stugs are and “OK” tank, but really you didn’t pick a good tank for the German side, don`t get my wrong I’m a German fan; I have, if I put all my units together, probably around 15 000 points or more in Germans alone ( I have Russians and Americans also); My case is you don’t want to go against a horde of Russian tank Guard Army (t-34/85), and David probably back me up in this one, you will get crush so bad the your NachtWulfhardly will recover from that!! LOL!!
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so what list is the 21 StuGs from ?
A StuG Batterie will field 7 StuG and 3 StuH as per the Bridge by Bridge book. Not sure if other books have bigger forces.
Warren by all means make a force up but please try to follow a list so if you ever want to play a tournament it will be essential. Also you find most people will play LW with either 1750 or 1780 pts (or around there) so yes it’s all fun and giggles but have a little bit of effort to play it as intended.
I pointed out that a proper list should be built in the comments of the last video, episode three. It was the same place I guessed the utter bunk night wolf would consist of bright silver “stugs” with giant wolves on the “skirts”. The series does an ok job of introducing the game to people, but many rules are missed and some of it seems contrived. In any event Warren is always more interested in rewriting the world as we know it and making a splash than getting things right. I knew he would try and turn the game into… Read more »
Erm….its a game. We all know Warren is rewriting history. A lot of “alternative reality” stuff is out there these days (much of it war based) and I think Warren et al exercising their imaginations is great. I think its a bit outrageous to say these two guys exploring their own spin on rolling dice and playing with models is disrespectful to those who lost their lives/loved ones in the war. We can do without gaming Gestapo…..
With respect, there are alternative reality WW2 era games to play already.
I don’t disagree that one can use FoW in such a manner as Warren has done.
That is part of his character to do so, and to take a game and make it one’s own through imagination and creative input is no bad thing.
It is a pity that FoW can’t have vanilla coverage though.
There is not a lot of historicals featured on BoW videos as it is.
Correct it is a game. And as such Warren is free to do things his own way, but within limits. One of those limits is if you are going to play an SS unit (or like) then you don’t trivialise it or any other historical unit for that matter. That is being disrespectful. Is Warren doing that ? maybe, to some yes to others no. He is however treading a thin line and perhaps needs to reflect a little. As for playing the game but taking a made-up approach then go for it, I can even tolerate silver StuGs with… Read more »
Very good point @jamesf . I can see how annoying his lack of list army must be to some people now, especially with @warzan s extreme version of such a thing. However, I think we also need to realise its not our game its Warren and Davids and they can use whatever rules they like if they agree beforehand. Also, they have mentioned a few times they are ignoring some rules to emphasise aspects they wish to highlight. I think its a privilege to see these guys game and attempt to introduce new blood to a gaming system. Veterans of… Read more »
Very good point jamesf . I can see how annoying his lack of list army must be to some people now, especially with warzan s extreme version of such a thing. However, I think we also need to realise its not our game its Warren and Davids and they can use whatever rules they like if they agree beforehand. Also, they have mentioned a few times they are ignoring some rules to emphasise aspects they wish to highlight. I think its a privilege to see these guys game and attempt to introduce new blood to a gaming system. Veterans of… Read more »
I think you are getting a tad lost. The SS were a brutal bunch of ideologically driven bastards. Trivialising them doesn’t really do anyone any favours. Of course it is possible to play war games without being disrespectful. If you only see it as pushing toy soldiers around and lose the connection to history then I guess you are right. Maybe you could just play Warhammer. It is possible to play as the SS, enjoy the game but still be very aware of what it was all about. Enjoyment and reflection are not mutually exclusive. However this is one game… Read more »
@chibi Don’t get me wrong. The SS were everything you say they were. Similarly a game is not reality and is therefore of less importance or a more ‘trivial’ version of events. Also, I love warhammer and other fantasy sci/fi games because I think its wonderful escapism. To reflect on the nasty side of human nature across history and the realities of war I choose to read and watch factual/fact based movies to give these things the focus and clarity they deserve. I don’t and shouldn’t feel in anyway inferior to people who choose to access these things through play… Read more »
“Similarly a game is not reality and is therefore of less importance or a more ‘trivial’ version of events.” Yes a game is indeed trivial especially when compared to the horrific reality of warfare. The problem starts when you trivialise the reality by how you treat the signifiers. It is one thing to have a Death Korps styled upon the SS in 40K. It is another to style the SS on the 40k Death Korps. If you ain’t interested in the history, why bother playing a historical game? As I said before there are plenty of alternative WW2 games to… Read more »
And as with anything that does not praise the workings of the master the sycophants will emerge to defend the master, just like lady gaga.
and at this point. he might as well ad glitter to the tanks
Errr i think you’ll find i have given BoW a fair share of constructive critisism…..I try not to be hurtful if I can though…
If he doesn’t glitter at least one up now I think I’ll feel a little bit betrayed…lol
When’s the next episode? I need another fix. Found other Flames of War vids on their official channel but they’re boring compared to Warren & Dave’s.
‘The problem starts when you trivialise the reality by how you treat the signifiers’ I take your point here but the level of significance level put on the story/reenactment are a personal decision not to be dictated to by others. ‘It is one thing to have a Death Korps styled upon the SS in 40K. It is another to style the SS on the 40k Death Korps’ …again I can see where you are coming from here….but its a personal choice to add significance to one system or the other…..is it better to play death corp like the SS with… Read more »
Trivialise the fight against fascism all you want bud. I will mourn the loss of focus and understanding. Society is all the worse for it.
Everyone who plays a historical wargame based on fighting the third reich does the trivialising you mention to some extent even if you attach a high level of political/historical significance to your FoW. Is warrens game really contributing to fascism in the real world? If I play an equivalent themed game am I? Focus and understanding of the fight against facism are not war gaming dependent traits and as mentioned IMHO thay are perhaps more easily found with clarity in other media. Thats a personal choice. How do you find Grindhouse Incursion fits in to this debate? I don’t know… Read more »