What’s the point in GW releases?

[sundancer 42977xp 0]

3D printing is the way people

Heretic!

[wolfie65Participant 1238xp 0]

Not for me it isn’t. 3D printed figures are Extremely fragile, even more so than resin, which is already bad enough. So fragile, that some of them break while painting or cleaning, never mind gaming. I’ve had some 3D pieces partially dissolve. By contrast, I have lead and soft plastic miniatures from the 1970s which are in perfectly good condition.

My main reason for not buying any (new) GW stuff is that they haven’t really made anything I’ve wanted to buy since Battlefleet Gothic.

[jodain 12433xp 1]

I was online on Saturday morning just before 10am trying to buy a Lion for my son.  I was on the Element Games site, the Wayland site, here and on GW themselves.  Never even got a sniff of a Lion in stock, nor the Arks of Omen: Lion book.

Decided to go eBook with the Novel – guess what I got one of those to download on Saturday.

[holly 12044xp 2]

That’s the kind of stuff that bothers me. I was able to get the regular hardbacks of Penitent and Pariah by Dan Abnett – not the limited editions, just regular hardbacks. Of course I want to complete the trilogy when Pandemonium is published, but I don’t think I’ll even stand a chance getting a standard hardback the way things currently are.

[bubbles15Participant 2308xp 1]

I’ll admit I was waiting on the Cerberus tank and the Wayland website just crashed on m with SQL errors. It’s one of capacity. I doubt many folk really understand the kind of infrastructure and capacity needed to cope with the many thousands of transactions per second. Then there’s the return – 99% of the time they don’t need that capacity.Remember the B&Q site during lockdown? The cost invovled was tens of thousands to solve a unique, short term problem.

This argument is tired and silly. Workshop want to sell goods. They are doing that. There’s no malice when you can’t get them. It’s simple supply and demand. If folk don’t buy from the scalpers then they don’t make any money. It’s those who do who fuel the trade.

My best advice is find smaller, less well known stores and use them. Support the little guy under the radar but please do stop banging this drum and move on.

[holly 12044xp 1]

It’s a common enough issue – occurring almost every week – that it is worth talking about. Given I walk into Waterstones and pick up almost any book published at least in the last year (if not longer), and any number of recent hardbacks – to have a new book that isn’t limited edition sell out completely in minutes is a problem, and fosters dissatisfaction.

It’s okay to not comment on this thread if you don’t like it, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to say this discussion is silly.

[sundancer 42977xp 1]

It’s okay to not comment on this thread if you don’t like it, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to say this discussion is silly.

100% agree. Customers get screwed over for no real reason and that’s  poisoning the well if you will. And yes, it’s not only G’wullu doing it. But they take it to a whole new level. Rant is valid.

Also sometimes ranting and talking about things that nag you helps you mentally to sort things out. And peoples comments can help.

Support the little guy under the radar

People would do that even with GW stuff *if* GW would be able to supply them with goods. But as long as GW just “sells off” stuff to who ever logs in first and shows the middle finger to small FLGS ranting about it is even more viable in my book.

[wolfie65Participant 1238xp 1]

On a broader scale – not limited to GW or gaming at all – I have noticed that things – which can literally be anything – sell out and become ‘rare’ or ‘collectible’ or ‘OOP’ or whatever in no time at all these days.  A process which used to take years or even decades now takes months, weeks or, in extreme cases, days.

Which leads to insanity like mass market paperback books that originally cost $5.00 less than a few years ago now cost $ 60.00, even on used book sites…..

[redscopeParticipant 2718xp 0]

Customer getting screwed over in what sense ? The company makes a product that is so popular it has sold out. Nobody is getting screwed over. Life is full of limits and they occur in any business often your ability to produce a product is limited by time, materials etc. I get people may be unhappy they cannot get the thing they want straight away. However most of these items will be in stock in a few weeks.

 

 

 

 

[bubbles15Participant 2308xp 1]

@sundancer – no, the ‘rant’ is not ‘valid’. This isn’t helping anyone. It is not offering advice. It is not solving any problem. It’s just whinging. Whinging because people can whinge. That is the very definition of pointless.

I get it – it can make you feel better – but it really just mires you in collective grumpiness to know that the rest of the tribe agrees with you to definne an us and them attitude. That’s childish.

Workshop want to sell goods. People want to buy them. Sometimes they don’t make enough for people to be able to. I can guarantee the most annoyed people are Workshop staff – and me, their shareholders wanting them to sell more but that’s the nature of ‘limited’.

Please, everyone, cool your jets and step away, think rationally and move on.

[solarParticipant 2781xp 2]

Bubbles15 you are not the opinion police, stop trying to dictate to people what they can and cant discuss, if you dont like it just move on and stop wasting peoples time.

[wolfie65Participant 1238xp 1]

I would imagine the staff of Nomad Investments  – formerly known as Games Workshop – don’t care a whit about who gets to buy what or not. I cooled my jets and stepped away about 20 years ago, when they stopped making things I wanted to buy, no rational thinking required.

‘Limited’ meaning product X sells out before the sale has actually begun is the nature of a world controlled by computers, not the nature of nature. It’s about as anti- and un-nature as you can get.

And airing genuine grievances to find out that others have had very similar experiences and share your thoughts and feelings is, indeed, VERY helpful, because the Powers That Shouldn’t Be WANT us isolated, defensive, helpless, alone and cowering in a corner. That’s how to best control, manipulate and fleece us. Or worse….

[hawker2000 442xp 0]

Seriously, GW prices are so over the top for their miniatures, compare Mantic Games prices to GW, you get so much more for your money with Mantic Games.  Don’t buy GW products, once you get over not having them, it will be easy.  GW really is the bad boy in our industry but ironically they introduce so many kids to wargaming.

Look at these prices and the amount of miniatures you get, GW are telling us plastic miniatures are expensive to make.
https://www.manticgames.com/firefight/getting-started/

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-40-000?N=1125463923+189949177&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1682079360000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1682079360000%5D

 

[wolfie65Participant 1238xp 0]

If we’re talking just pure bang for the buck, nothing beats 20mm plastic figures from companies such as Airfix, Hät, Italeri, Zvezda, Strelets, etc., paper buildings you cut out and glue together and terrain you make yourself from natural and household materials.

2 boxes of infantry, 1 box of cavalry and 1 box of ‘specials’ (chariots, elephants, cannon…) will give you a fairly impressive starter army, cost less than $ 50 even today

Red Box and Caesar/Miniknight even make fantasy and sci-fi minis of that type and if you hunt around some, you can find suitable dragons, demons or whatever monsters you require at thrift shops and toy stores – if toy stores even still exist.

Many of the historical minis can be converted/painted in a fantasy way.

Paper buildings can be found for free or very cheaply, either ready printed or as downloads to print yourself. That printer ink will be BY FAR your biggest expense.

[holly 12044xp 0]

it’s not the pricing that’s the issue for me, I’m happy to pay GW prices for certain things – some of their novels (when they don’t instantly sell out), Middle-Earth miniatures. I also buy from a huge range of other companies, and do a lot of scratch-building – so I’m not in a GW bubble or anything like that.

My specific reason for starting this thread was to highlight the problem (pre-orders COMPLETELY selling out before the pre-order window opens is a problem bubbles, and no amount of trying to justify that will make me think otherwise) and understand how many others have been having these problems.

So it’s not whinging, but trying to understand other peoples views.

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