Well more "limited" releases that don't even last beyond the first 2 days (GW)

[phaidknott 7023xp 0]

Well IF the book of Chains contains the rules for the tactics cards that would be a sensible and welcome change in policy from GW that I would applaud (and it would stop me ranting). HOWEVER that’s a big “IF” from GW and a wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a table for selecting which of the cards we can use in the game (rather than a full listing).

Still I guess we’ll find out on Saturday what GW have done, but going on past history with Necromunda and rules being put out piecemeal I’m not going to hold my breath on this one 🙁

[angelicdespot 4689xp 2]

Printing the cards’ rules in the book would go quite a bit of the way to making things right.   Even so, the game mechanic just works better if you have physical cards as you can keep them secret from your opponent as well as tailor custom decks.

GW could do rules summaries on cards as a nice ‘optional extra’ and if/when they went out of print that would be fine.

But if they’re going to make cards a standard and expected part of the game then they really ought to keep the cards in print.   And if they don’t consider these to be a core item that they’re willing to invest in to keep in stock (or at least to periodically replace / reprint) then they ought to make them downloadable or print on demand.   However they make them available, they should make them available.

Nothing about gaming is ‘essential’, but it’s both good business and good ethics to want to have a decent, mutually respectful relationship with your customers.   And in niche hobby product like war games, your customers aren’t just ‘neutral’ people who can happily switch from one brand of brick to another, they are people who are invested in your product and people you do owe something to.   It’s crappy of GW to treat their customers like this.

[totsuzenheniParticipant 5651xp 0]

Couldn’t Games Workshop make them ‘print on demand’?

[doctoretherParticipant 9166xp 1]

@totsuzenheni no it would likely violate certain contracts with their printers.

[totsuzenheniParticipant 5651xp 0]

Well it appears that the “Temporarily out of stock Online” was a default stock level. The webpage now has “No Longer Available Online” as the stock level.

[mrpageParticipant 621xp 1]

Completely agree with what has been said here, it’s simply not okay for GW to have printed materials that are necessary for gameplay that they don’t keep in stock, and the gang cards have been a big failure in this regard.

If they have done a D66 table then that is a huge improvement, but it’s nowhere near as good as working out a way to keep the cards (which are much better for players than a table) in stock.  If the long supply chain is the issue then honestly it should be possible to print the cards in the UK given the margins they are charging on them.  This is not something that other, much smaller firms seem to struggle with.

The scarcity that surrounds almost any printed release from GW these days is frustrating, but it’s just unforgivable when the item is needed for gameplay (rather than convenience).

[ardnutParticipant 830xp 1]

Ordered the Goliath cards directly from GW this time (as I’ve been hit before with other suppliers not being sent enough stock) on the day the preorder went live and now GW email 6 days later to say they are out of stock and no longer available, so I’ll not be getting them!

Whats the point in taking a preorder if even GW themselves can’t fulfil it?

[solarParticipant 2781xp 0]

I know GW have previously pulled these kinds of stunts but could this have anything to do with the manufacturing issues in China due to the coronavirus?

[limburger 21704xp 0]

Do they use China at all?

Otoh.. Even if they don’t there is bound to be someone in their supply who does.

 

[ardnutParticipant 830xp 0]

All the previous card sets were made in China, so I’d assume these new ones were too.

However this is a GW pre-order, it’s not there to figure out how many they need to print, then get them printed and then ship them to customers. They’d of already placed an order for these months ago. So surely they’d know how many they have received in the warehouse and stop taking pre-orders once they’d hit the stock limit.

Oh well, I’ve sourced a set from elsewhere, so hopefully that arrives.

[phaidknott 7023xp 2]

Well that’s the first time I’ve heard of GW not being able to fulfil it’s own limited release pre-orders (hopefully this might give them a wake up call and stop with the “marketing” and just put the items in stock just like the rulebooks). We’ll still awaiting the news to see if the Goliath Tactics Cards (rules) are printed in the latest book or not.

It’s daft because of all the good things I see GW do (the minis are fantastic) they always seem to find a way to “sour” the pot. Usually it’s due to some form of marketing of late (back when they had other ways to annoy their playerbase 😀 ). But it’s not just Necromunda that suffers from this issue, it’s across the entire stable of GW games (BB, AT, 40K, AoS) all have “cards” (some essential to gameplay) that GW decided to make “limited”. The true fix here would be to remove the rules from the cards from the games and back into the rulebooks (where they belong).

On the Contravirus issue, I’d imagine GW had them book to ship before the Chinese New Year (where basically China shuts down for almost a month), where the workers all return back home for the celebrations (that’s why it’s such a long event). If anything it might affect the next shipment (Orlocks).

…but surely someone outside of China still owns a printing press (only issue here being GW made the cards a non-standard size for daft reasons, so the die-cut isn’t going to be available for someone else to do things (see what happens when you over design stuff 😀 )

?

 

 

[timchubbKeymaster 3166xp 0]

Meh it’s gw, Necromunda is a specialist game so actually part of forge world, and that bit of the company seems to have been immune from the restructure if anything over the last five years its seemed FW have gone as hard in the opposite direction as gw have in the “right” direction.

As for tactic cards it’s one bit of the hobby I have zero qualms obtaining a pdf of from various Russian sites, or just looking to a link of pics of the cards on imgur.  End of the day due to limited release the rules won’t be allowed for competitive play, so it only effects friendly play and if ur mate won’t let you look at their cards u need to find better people to play with, or just obtain them and print ur self.

[timchubbKeymaster 3166xp 0]

Whats the point in taking a preorder if even GW themselves can’t fulfil it?

Market research, see how viable a product line it is, the return of Necromunda has not been a hot seller in the model shop I do IT for outside of the 8 or so people who already played.  Would not be surprised if Necromunda becomes an online only direct from gw range, if nothing else to make shelf space for pointy elves and presumably a revamped citadel airbrush range given the acknowledgement that airbrushing is a sanctioned method based on the 4.5 mins of useless tutorial they put up on the colour website

[stubbybrushParticipant 924xp 0]

Not being a “fanboi” of the Evil Empire, I wonder if you have ever considered taking action under the Sale of Good Act ?

If they knowingly advertise goods which they know they cannot supply I think that may be in contravention of the act.

A Civil Court action would cost them a lot of money to defend and if they lost, even more.

[phaidknott 7023xp 1]

Well got the new book and……

FINALLY they added the rules for the Tactics cards IN the rulebook YAAAY

NOW I’ll stop ranting….

Now armed with a pen and a pack of blank business cards you can make your own 🙂

Other things from the Book of Chains….

18 Gang Tactics, 18 in the version 2.0 pack. Not sure if the Version 2.0 cards are a reprint of the ones you got in Necromunda Underhive and the first Goliath Gang Tactics card pack, or if they are reworded, or if they are totally different. Does this mean that previous gang tactic cards are now obsolete?

Gang Tactics Cards are “locked in” to the 18 tactics in the book (for Goliath), probably a good thing as there was some horrible min-maxing and “that guy” tactics caused by players “building” their own gang decks.

Comfirmation (sort of) that GW and FW will NOT be releasing Juve models. The text in the book specifically refers to the fact that Gangers (now Brusiers) and Juves (now Bullies) are represented on the table with models from the basic gang box of miniatures “with only their access to equipment” differentiating the models. You could still convert the new Forge Born models into Juves I suppose, but it’s a shame they decided not to make ANY models for the Juves (I’m assuming this will hold true for the later books with each gang getting a new type of “prospect” model with a variation on the old Juve specific to each gang.

The book is definitely better than previous Necromunda books with things a lot more tightly written and less ambiguous than others. Not sure if this is due to the much more narrow focus, HOWEVER my minor gripe with this one is there’s a LOT of reprinted material from previous books included. They “seem” to be trying to make these new gang books a “one stop resource” for running each gang. The upside of this is that there’s going to be less referring between different books, the downside is basically the Gangs of the Underhive will become obsolete over the next 18 months (but I’ve no doubt they’ll leave some stuff there that doesn’t get reprinted. Even the Rulebook for Necromunda Underhive (N17) still has some rule clarifications that weren’t carried forwards to the new hardback rulebook.

 

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