[unofficial weekender] 'tis a bit windy in parts of Eruope.

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First time visitor to OTT? Then please introduce yourself in the New Member Thread and look around in the Project System. Then come back and read on…

Introduce yourselves (New member thread)

https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/

Read all of this before you start as it will save you any trouble later.

First thing you must do is make your “pledge”. It can be anything gaming related, big or small, and you don’t even have to finish it. No, in here, happiness is the road. Have fun doing whatever it is, but it is not a race. Accompany your work with pictures or we might think you are do something sinister and just using us for cover.

You are also presented with a few questions. It is to get the conversation started. Try and keep your answers ‘conversational’, no text speak, and certainly no “basically”. This is how we all get to know each other better. While you are here feel free to tell us a story, show a picture, joke, tales of love or woe, or just add your own little bit. This is the whole point…in here it is just us.

If you have never taken part before we may bark and bite, but we also like a cuddle! It is all done in the best possible taste and it is character building. feel free to give as good as you get.

A few other things to note: NO RELIGION & NO POLITICS! Glasgow pub rules are in effect. If you need to make a better point then it is fine, but don’t take the piss. And always keep it civil.

Play plenty of music to go with your work. Loud and through proper speakers. Write us a playlist of things we might not have heard before.

Now, after all of that there is only one ‘real’ rule in here and it cannot be broken: NO DICKS! (Exceptions may be made for little fighting men with little plastic/resin/metal wieners)

And don’t forget the highlights of the weekend: The Weekender on Friday and XLBS on Sunday. And the little show that is the unofficial Hobby Hangout over at twitch.tv

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Questions:

• What is the longest wait for any order you put out? Kickstarter, pre orders at your FLGS…
• Have you ever cancelled your order on something that took ages to arrive?
• You do realize that 2022 is almost half done?

And now back to the show.

[sundancer 42943xp 2]

My pledge: finish the minis on my paintstation to prepare for new stuff.

Answers:

• Star Citizen – 2013
• Yes, the “Saga World Builder: Modular tiles for tabletop and D&D games”from 2015. After a very long wait the creator was like: “you can all wait even longer or cancel your order and get 50% of your money back”
• lalalala… not listening!

Music!

 

[demonsub 12746xp 1]

Happy Friday.

My pledge this week is to get the rest of the characters painted for the Drunes and the Earth Tribes for the Sláine game. I won’t finish them all in a weekend but hopefully it won’t be too late into next week.

After that I’ve only got the Fomorians to do, plus the character and that’s them all painted, until August when I get a whole load of new stuff from Warlord.

What is the longest wait for any order you put out? Kickstarter, pre orders at your FLGS…

My longest wait was for the Kickstarter exclusive stuff for the Dark Souls board game from Steamforge Games. I’d already sold everything else from the game for a year by the time I got the stuff (and I sold that soon after as well without even opening it).

Have you ever cancelled your order on something that took ages to arrive?

Yes. One example was a small site who’s stuff looked good so I ordered a single miniature. Months went by and I got zero response from my emails. I wasn’t too fussed about the possible loss in money, I just wanted my miniature. I eventually cancelled but he sent the miniature out anyway.

You do realize that 2022 is almost half done?

It’s true. Time speeds up the older you get (I’m 45). Except when I’m at work.
It’ll be 41 000 before you know it.

 

For music rest in peace Vangelis, who died yesterday.

 

 

[horati0nosebl0wer 19624xp 1]

Pledge: Finish a second squad of minis… Giftmas stuff, all hush hush so no reveal until December.

Windy in Europe? Pah! It was just about 90°F yesterday and I was sweating buckets at work. I wake up and get out for work today and its just about 39°F with the potential for snow. Gotta love living in the mountains.

The longest I’ve waited for a KS..   4(?) years and counting. My second Kingdom Death pledge. I expected a bit of a wait for the almost two that it took for my first to get processed. Honestly, I just want my figures and then I’m done. Its not worth the hassle of Poots doing business in China for the production issues. I’ll sail the grey and skirt the politics only to point out the marriage of the CCP, command economics and current events regarding the health crisis. Similarly, if you look at production of minis, Signum out of Ukraine isn’t kicking things out in the mail. Production ceases, shipments get put on hold, people wait/get irritated, business crawls.

I’ve not cancelled an order that has taken ages. I was in the same boat you are now in Sundancer. I ordered an army from TitanForge and it go sent to my address properly. The carrier claimed that the parcel was unable to be delivered and sent it back. I reached out to TF and found out the issue after some time and they found it and reshipped. On top of the production, there was all the shipping back and forth between the EU-US so the trip of Botwars for you and Oz is really not bad. Your FLGS messed up with your order and this just means a change of how you order figures so that you get them in a “timely” fashion.

Yes 2022 is almost half done. It means I’m on a Giftmas crunch. Lead time for shipping is not getting any better.

 

[limburger 21692xp 1]

1) What is the longest wait for any order you put out? Kickstarter, pre orders at your FLGS…
I think the Conan RPG was the longest for the complete set, but they did ship bits and pieces.
As I am not one of those “gimme now or I scream ‘fraude!'” types I am not bothered by the wait, because there’s no point in asking people to hurry up when they’ve outsourced production to a 3rd party …
Plus the entire pandemic made a real mess of the entire ‘just in time’ delivery that 95% of companies tend to use.

Saga World Builder .. I backed that one too. And like a lot of those ‘first run’ kickstarters they ran into the usual problems of converting an idea into a thing that could be mass produced. I consider it part of the risk with kickstarters and a reminder that these things are not webshops.

2) Have you ever cancelled your order on something that took ages to arrive?
Nope.The webshops I’ve used tend to deliver within reasonable time frames (next day – ish) and the ones that don’t I either avoid or set very low expectations so as to not be dissappointed.

For kickstarters I believe that one shouldn’t use money that one can’t afford to burn. I tend to consider anything except actual fraud a result that was worth the cost for either me or the people attempting to make the thing. Demanding a refund (like some of those impatient fckers do) is kind of silly as the money was already spent … and such things tend to accelerate the death spiral.

3) You do realize that 2022 is almost half done?
ssst … you might jinx it 😉

One week down … and even though I ought to have done stuff I didn’t, because all the hammering and drilling that’s going on in the appartment building is soo annoying and distracting.

Did watch ‘Mr. Robot’ on Amazon (probably the only tv-show that tried to make hacking look realistic … ).

Anyways … I shall attempt to re-organise my pile of opportunity to make room for the next incoming package (most likely Hellboy related).
Should be able to archive my Astroguards from the recent kickstarter delivery.
Very Retro 70’s/80’s SciFi feel to those minis, which is why I had to have them …

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I love that video of Astroguards and I love Buck Rogers. Oh the nostalgia.

[sundancer 42943xp 0]

Nostalgia is an expensive trip into the past XD.

@horati0nosebl0wer I still believe in the FGS (not local) will deliver me that what is mine… some day. Eventually. Perhaps…

@limburger If you backed Saga World Builder, did you also claim a refund? At least that way I got some money back *g*

@demonsub can I have an Amen for Battlestar Galactica while we are at it? 😉

How do you know that you’re tired as fuck? You start writing English sentences and insert German words here and there… bloody hell.

 

[pagan8thParticipant 10853xp 2]

Original Battlestar was good fun on a budget. The awful sequel that followed with new cast and set on earth was crappy. Remake was interesting at first, but got all religious and boring towards the end.

Only german words I’ve picked up are those uttered by Nightcrawler in comics and in war comics from my childhood.

[limburger 21692xp 2]

@sundancer I believe I did not. In part because I still want it and because I believe it’s not going to help them either and also because I kind of forgot.

As I said … any money I spend on kickstarters I consider ‘lost’, so any return I get is a win.
Reading about the stuff that they go through is (almost) reward enough.

My most wanted kickstarter at the moment is the Mycroft voice assistant, because I really believe that this is the only one that is ethically version of a thing that by its very nature has to invade your privacy :

Mycroft – The Open Source Privacy-Focused Voice Assistant

This also highlights the most annoying thing of kickstarters : things don’t always go as planned …
The initial design was flawed and they’ve adapted it to make it work.
It’s not quite as sexy as the initial idea, but if I had to chose between nothing and an alternative that does work then the choice is easy : get me the thing that works.

Heck … I’m not sure if a voice assistant will add value, but I am sure that the privacy first mission statement *is* the only way to do this. It’s just such a shame that most people are too ignorant/stupid/blind to understand why this is important for this type of device.

[demonsub 12746xp 1]

…can I have an Amen for Battlestar Galactica while we are at it?

Of course, goes without saying. It’s excellent stuff.

[sundancer 42943xp 0]

@pagan8th  I forgot about the earthy sequel… but I was very young at the time and I like flying motorcycles XD

Now, all episodes of Love, Death and Robots have been watched, where is my Weekender?

[pagan8thParticipant 10853xp 0]

not all of the animation styles of Love, death robots appeals to me, but I did enjoy the mini zombie one.

[danlee 22437xp 2]

My pledge is to finish my squat squad. They’re nearly there but I’m deliberately taking it steady with them.

 

1. What is the longest wait for any order you put out? Kickstarter, pre orders at your FLGS… – Ignoring the KS projects that look like they’ll never deliver, I think there have been some that pushed three years.
2. Have you ever cancelled your order on something that took ages to arrive? – No. For me things like KS are money gone the minute I back them. I accept its a gamble.
3. You do realize that 2022 is almost half done? – And the stuff that was meant to get better in 2021 still isn’t great. Time flies.

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@pagan8th  yeah especially the intro on that one was hilarious XD

@danlee stuff getting better? Weird concept!

It is Sunday my friends and my body is a bag of pain. Yesterday I did some 1:1 terrain (new front garden fences) and boy am I not made for manual labour.

Tonight there will be a new recording of the Imperial Interlude podcast and maybe next week we’ll have some good news.

[horati0nosebl0wer 19624xp 1]

Nostalgia… expensive as all hell. It seems to be worse when you go after books in the same way. Find something interesting and obscure and watch the price shoot up astronomically. I can’t say that BSG 1980 was something I got hooked on. I’m still on about the cartoons and felt some real potential for following up on the G.I. Joe rpg when I saw it in a local shop.

KS as lost money that makes for “found presents” randomly arriving in your mail. That seems to be the general par for course. Unless the system has a set cycle for delivery or expected time to accomplish goals, the direct to supporter model strips away the veil that companies have of “suddenly we have this for sale” that most consumers can’t get beyond. The back end development and hurdles of business doing business is something perhaps freshmen (maybe sophmore) in business school should learn. Take one class and support a KS to then write up a senior level dissertation on their analysis. It gives time to learn about what people in the real world face in making products available as well as dealing with customers. This also opens up the experience of never getting a product and seeing the fallout.

As far as 1:1 terrain builds you keep at it. My 1:1 builds have made me more aware of all the facets of sheet metal and curious about resin industrial work. I’m thinking about @johnlyons and the mention of rivet counting on tanks. There’s a whole manual that outlines regulation on things you never see in reality but always see from imagination. Where’s the tech manual on the assembly and installation of internal engineering equipment on starships? Why didn’t we ever hear about faulty construction or botched assembly of things like Jefferies tubes? How out of standard was the engineering department with all the bypasses and shoddy improvements? What kind of a nightmare was the paperwork for reprimand in being regulation noncompliant? Every time a ship docked how ever were things done when issues got “fixed” to schematic standard? It makes the mind boggle.

Now… time to make the ears boggle

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