[unofficial weekender] my edition is better than yours

[sundancer 42903xp 0]

“Magnetic Block Building Block Puzzle Toy”? My rear end that’s Minecraft and we all know it! XD

@horati0nosebl0wer if there ever is a “hot tub” episode of the uHH it will be a small tub filled with hot chocolate to dip fruit in. Make of that what you will you filthy animals! 😉

@danlee Stop being so productive. My hobby mojo can only get so low. It’s not a limbo dancer! XD

@jeffersonpowers  your pledge. is it a pledge? I feel that’s the way most of us are defaulting? And Yes, X-Wing V2 was definitely not a reboot for casual/normal play. Especially for collectors like me who bought one of every release. Getting the upgrade kits for all 4 factions and the capital ships. Flock me that was a lot of money just for tokens and cards. :S

Anyhow: It’s Tuesday. I did 45’ish minutes of paint last night which basically is not showing up on the pictures if you don’t know which minis got “a quickie”.

[blinky465 17027xp 1]

It absolutely is Minecraft. But I’m intrigued by how they magnetised the cubes (so each side appears to attract rather than some repel). Are the using ball magnets? (in which case how do the blocks not pivot when up against each other a go all “floppy”?)
Or fixed magnets, fixed to the insides of each block – so blocks have to be placed in certain orientations to get them to stick? (in which case, how do they manufacture them so cheaply because the magnets alone for as many blocks as I can see in their “standard” set would cost more than £13 GBP on their own!)

I just loved how easy it is to create “floating platforms” using those blocks.
How to make my own, square, HoH-themed ones is a different question. I’m tempted to get a set just for the magnets alone!

[limburger 21672xp 0]

Instead of DIY … you could simply buy that set and find out for yourself 😉

And as a bonus you would have more terrain for your project too.

@horati0nosebl0wer I never ever learned the 2nd edition rules. I know what Thac0 was supposed to be, but couldn’t remember if I needed to roll above or below the number, because skill checks and saving throws didn’t follow the same concept. It’s one of my main reasons for preferring systems where rules can be inferred from as few concepts as possible. Might explain why I started to like OSR if I had to pick a D&D like system for rpg’s.

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@limburger – I was thinking exactly the same thing. But, then again, so was Kickstarter. I just got an email promoting this:

https://fanfare.app/project/universal-dungeon

so while I did toy with the idea of just dropping £15 on what looks like a load of sticker-covered cardboard boxes with magnets stuck to the insides (I still might, just to see how it works!) I’m really starting to get interested in the idea of 3d printing some interlocking, magnetised “cubes” to make floating platforms and walkways etc.

But just clicking “I accept” to all these cookie requests across various websites is getting a bit creepy now…..

 

[blinky465 17027xp 0]

Right. It’s pancake day.
So…. a few, great big, full-pan-sized crepes? Or a stack of smaller, fatter “american-style” pancakes?

For many years, I swore by the former. But, having got a massive frying pan last year, I tried smaller, fatter ones this time.
I think I prefer them that way.
No matter big or small, it’s Pancake Tuesday so of course we smothered them in lemon juice and sugar.
You?

[jeffersonpowers 281xp 0]

@sundancer re: my pledge — it’s really more of a coping mechanism to keep from being overwhelmed by unpainted minis and unbuilt terrain, and a convenient excuse to focus on the new and shiny… 😉 That said, I don’t think my backlog is really that bad…

X-Wing second edition seemed like a very inelegant “solution” to a non-problem. I haven’t really missed it, I find that Gaslands scratches much the same itch, and I enjoy the DIY aspect of it more.

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@blinky465  Pancakes for me need to be savoury. Most of the times. With bacon and onions. Maybe cheese. Size is irrelevant, the sum of the mass is important. Needs to fill the belly.

That said, I don’t think my backlog is really that bad…

We all tell ourselves that. We all do.

It’s Wednesday. I’m wet (bicycles and rain and stuff), have coffee and my tummy is upset about something. Really annoying.

[blinky465 17027xp 1]

Four pancakes in and my belly was full!

Savoury pancakes you say? When I lived in France we called those galettes.
My neighbours made sure to point out that a savoury pancake (galette) was absolutely nothing like the abomination I showed them we created once a year (I didn’t see the difference myself!)
As Phillipe pointed out – I see now why you Brits have just one single day in the whole year when you make yourselves sick on these horrible, stodgy, sickly monstrosities and then never cook them again.
I think he secretly liked them but just didn’t want his wife to think he didn’t like her galettes….

(then again, they did used to put Nutella in galettes as well, so maybe they weren’t just for savoury fillings after all).
I love the idea of bacon and onions and cheese in a pancake.
But the rules, here in the UK, are that pancakes can only be topped with lemon juice (ideally not even fresh lemon but from a squeezy plastic bottle) and sugar and eaten on just one day in the year. I don’t know who made them up. I can feel a revolution coming on….

[sundancer 42903xp 1]

4 of that tiny ones? Rookie numbers! XD

[pagan8thParticipant 10745xp 0]

I forgot it was shrove tuesday. guess that makes today ash wednesday.

I’m not a religious person, but religion is the reason for pancakes.

[limburger 21672xp 0]

Does one need a shrubbery for the shrove ?

Over here we’d be eating herring today … if we were to keep to the traditions.

I suspect it’s mostly a hangover cure for all the alcohol from the days before 😉

In hobby news … my Gangs of Rome have arrived.
Somehow I now feel the need to build a colloseum and add grafitti all over the place 😉

 

[wolfie65Participant 1230xp 0]

Just like with almost all book series, movie franchises or most anything else, the original is usually the best.

Failing that, older versions almost always trump newer ones.

Case in point – since I happen to have them in front of me right now: The 5th edition WHFB High Elf army book from 1997 has 114 pages of background, stories, lore, rules, lots of gorgeous color photographs and paintings plus many black&white ones, maps and even a timeline of Elven history and Phoenix Kings.

The WHTOW (read: 9th ed) High Elf section of the Forces of Fantasy multi-army book has 40 pages of Elfies, 1 painting, 3 pages of color pics and the rest is sepia rules. You’ll look for lore, background, stories etc. in vain.

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Not wishing to start a row, @wolfie65 but if “older versions almost always trump newer ones” why compare back to 5th edition WHFB book? Surely that is inferior to 4th edition (and both would be inferior to the third, which in turn wouldn’t hold a candle to, say, the first edition)? Or was – at some point – one of the later editions actually better than an earlier version, and then become the “benchmark” against which anything later is measured against?

Just curious why 5th and not first is considered the best in this case, when the logic would dictate v1.0 was supreme and everything after it just got steadily worse?

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Just curious why 5th and not first is considered the best in this case, when the logic would dictate v1.0 was supreme and everything after it just got steadily worse?

Yarp. That’s what I thought. Also I feel that Books usually don’t get a re-write. They get sequels and translations may be done again (but than that would be a “my translation is better than yours” discussion) but in general a book stays the same (not accounting for religious books) Movies and TV shows get directors cuts, reboots, remakes or a completely different interpretation so there are arguments there but not always is a new approach inherently bad. It’s only when it’s bad it’s usually *really* bad.

Thursday my friends. Week is almost over.

[wolfie65Participant 1230xp 0]

I wasn’t saying that 5th edition was the best in general, but that the army books were most definitely superior – VASTLY superior – to anything that came after. The depth, style, artwork, attention to and level of detail, creativity haven’t been matched, not even close. It’s like comparing a Renaissance painting to a CGI render.

As for the various editions in general, I can’t say anything specific for 1st and 2nd editions WHFB, never had them and they are FAR too expensive to buy now, but from what I’ve heard and read about them, they were more like ‘first drafts’ rather than fully fleshed out rules sets. Nice collectibles, but probably not very viable today.

Some would argue that 3rd edition – which was a fully fleshed out rules set –  was ‘the best’ and they may have a point, it was definitely more ‘realistic’, meaning more similar to a historical game than the following ones were.

4th and 5th – aka Herohammer – were kind of a high benchmark in terms of High Fantasy ostentatiousness, something 9th ed (TOW) seems to try to kinda sorta revive but doesn’t quite dare to go all the way.

While 6th edition did a few good things, such as tone down the mega-dominance of characters and elite units and forcing players to take at least some regular troops, it also took away a lot of the color and pageantry, making everything much more streamlined and often quite bland. Coinciding, s it were, with the start of the black primer craze, the resulting dulling down of paint color across the board and sepia pages replacing full color ones.

Another good example of no.1 being the best in a series would be the Harry Potter movies. The first one is among the best fantasy films ever made, the second is still good but not quite as good as the first, the third is a little too short, hectic and confusing (if you haven’t read the book) for all the story it attempts to cover, a problem which is worse in no.4. I don’t know how people who didn’t read the books first can follow the action and understand what’s going on in movies 5 and 6. At least by the final one, they had wised up and decided to make 2 movies out of a lot of book……

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