[unofficial weekender] Friday 13th 2022

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First time visitor to OTT? Then please introduce yourself in the New Member Thread and look around in the Project System. Then come back and read on…

Introduce yourselves (New member thread)

https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/

Read all of this before you start as it will save you any trouble later.

First thing you must do is make your “pledge”. It can be anything gaming related, big or small, and you don’t even have to finish it. No, in here, happiness is the road. Have fun doing whatever it is, but it is not a race. Accompany your work with pictures or we might think you are do something sinister and just using us for cover.

You are also presented with a few questions. It is to get the conversation started. Try and keep your answers ‘conversational’, no text speak, and certainly no “basically”. This is how we all get to know each other better. While you are here feel free to tell us a story, show a picture, joke, tales of love or woe, or just add your own little bit. This is the whole point…in here it is just us.

If you have never taken part before we may bark and bite, but we also like a cuddle! It is all done in the best possible taste and it is character building. feel free to give as good as you get.

A few other things to note: NO RELIGION & NO POLITICS! Glasgow pub rules are in effect. If you need to make a better point then it is fine, but don’t take the piss. And always keep it civil.

Play plenty of music to go with your work. Loud and through proper speakers. Write us a playlist of things we might not have heard before.

Now, after all of that there is only one ‘real’ rule in here and it cannot be broken: NO DICKS! (Exceptions may be made for little fighting men with little plastic/resin/metal wieners)

And don’t forget the highlights of the weekend: The Weekender on Friday and XLBS on Sunday. And the little show that is the unofficial Hobby Hangout over at twitch.tv

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Questions:

• Sculptors – do you have favourites?
• Do you buy minis just because a certain sculptor made them and you don’t ever plan on use them or play the game they are associated with?
• Should sculptors (and all creatives for that) that work on a game/game system be credited by name?

And now back to the show.

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I can’t pledge right now. At work things have popped up that might ruin my weekend sooo… yeah.

• Yes. Kev Adams’ goblins are lovely and Werner Glocke makes stunning old school stuff. And the Perrys. And Boris. And Heresy Andy…. TOO MANY!
• Nope. But if I am already on the brink because I like the system/game behind that might be what tips me over.
• YES! Hell YES! There should be a page in every rulebook giving credit to everybody. Every minis sold should have (somehow) the artists marked.

Oh, and it’s Friday 13th. What could possibly go wrong?

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I cannot pledge for this weekend either though I am planning on painting some Barons War

Sculptors – do you have favourites?

Yes indeed and they are Paul Hicks and Matt Bickley

Do you buy minis just because a certain sculptor made them and you don’t ever plan on use them or play the game they are associated with?

Never, okay yes I do but usually the sculpt will see me on the game.

Should sculptors (and all creatives for that) that work on a game/game system be credited by name?

Yes indeed as are as important to the game as the game itself.

 

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And I think having “sculptor X” on your box could very well be a selling point. They leave money on the table for the sake of keeping the workforce “generic” and “replaceable” :S

I wonder, are sculptor allowed to show work as their work once they leave a company? Or is this a “your contract says all your bases are belong to us” situation and you are not allowed to advertise yourself to other projects/employers as “I did these minis. I can do similar things for you”?

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Happy Friday.

My pledge this week is to finish my 9 earth tribe models for Sláine. I’m also working on some large rocks terrain but most of the work there is waiting for the things to dry.

Sculptors – do you have favourites?

I really like Kev Adams’s work, both his old GW miniatures and his work from Otherworld Miniatures. Other than that I tend know what I like when I see it. I know there are a variety of sculptors who do the Moonstone models and Northumbrian Tin Soldier models but I couldn’t name any.

Do you buy minis just because a certain sculptor made them and you don’t ever plan on use them or play the game they are associated with?

As above I really buy any models that I like. Chances are I’ll probably get models made by the same sculptors without realising it just because I like their style.

Should sculptors (and all creatives for that) that work on a game/game system be credited by name?

Yes, of course. It’s my current bugbear that GW don’t credit any of their creators in their books and I really hate that. It’s like they’ve regressed and gone back to the pre 60s and 70s comic.

I recently got a box of Wargames Atlantic miniatures for the first time and not only do they credit the sculptor on the box, they credit the miniature painter, the artist and the package designer. That’s fantastic.

 

 

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uh oh … friday 13th … I hate being reminded that I should not be paranoid, but somehow I always am.

1) Sculptors – do you have favourites?
Nope,  … well maybe I do but because I don’t know their names I don’t.
Then again I don’t care that much as consistent style is more important than it being either one or more sculptors.
It also creates problems if the sculptor responsible leaves a company as they can never ever produce new minis that look like the originals …

2) Do you buy minis just because a certain sculptor made them and you don’t ever plan on use them or play the game they are associated with?
Nope, if I buy a mini it’s because I like how it looks.

3) Should sculptors (and all creatives for that) that work on a game/game system be credited by name?

credit needs to be where credit is due. This applies to all things … not just (tabletop) games.
And I’d argue that those who provide the creative expertise are just as important as the ones that make the minis.
Why should the guy doing the casting not get credit for his craftsmanship ?
Or what about the artist making the pretty pictures on the box ?
The painter who painted them ?
etc.

OTOH … do we really need a separate booklet with a ton of names that ultimately have no meaning to the average buyer ?
And do we really want to copy the toxic celebrity worship that has tainted the entertainment industry ?

I really want just two things :
= a good product
= those responsible for said product getting paid an honest amount of money instead of them being tricked into working their arse off for pennies …

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And do we really want to copy the toxic celebrity worship that has tainted the entertainment industry ?

Good point and no, we don’t want that. But I also think that that wouldn’t be a problem tbh.

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> I wonder, are sculptor allowed to show work as their work once they leave a company? Or is this a “your contract says all your bases are belong to us” situation and you are not allowed to advertise yourself to other projects/employers as “I did these minis. I can do similar things for you”?

I imagine the hobby is so informal, that nobody cares — except maybe GW? Similar situation for mobile game artists?

As for credit, mebbe credit in the corner of the manufacturer and sculptor. That way, ruleset buyers can even buy the miniature if they want. Heck, business-minded rulebook creators may have a deal with a manufacturer for the mini’s in their rulesets. After all, many in-house rulesets are there to sell a product line!

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No.

No.

Yes – any decent company does that. Some even put the name of the leading game designer on the front of the box or book. Credit where credit is due. The creatives often get too little credit in a corporate environment.

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I’ve seen too many (video)games get good scores, because it featured a named creator and daring to mention that his creation sucks brought the wrath of the fan boys …

I’ve seen too many movies go bad because they ‘needed’ to have a named actor in the leading role instead of a competent one.

So no … while I think that mentioning who made the product is good I haven’t seen it being used to good effect.

@ced1106 ” imagine the hobby is so informal, that nobody cares — except maybe GW? Similar situation for mobile game artists?”
I’m pretty sure that the artists themselves care …
And to be honest we should care too.
You can not not care about copyright.
Things you create are yours by default, no matter how businesses would like to convince you that it is not.
Copyright law has been twisted into an abonimation to serve the big mouse and his fat cats.

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Well last weeks pledge to catch up on my reading only worked because my youngest spent three days in hospital with asthma – giving me little to do but sit next to her and read. She’s back home now though and I found these waiting for me, which will be this week’s pledge.

 

 

1. Sculptors – do you have favourites? – There may be some styles I prefer but I tend not to notice or remember the sculptor.
2. Do you buy minis just because a certain sculptor made them and you don’t ever plan on use them or play the game they are associated with? – These days I buy what I imagine I will enjoy painting. I always intend to paint them and even back when I gamed regularly I accepted that a unit might only get used in a couple of games before being cycled out of my list.
3. Should sculptors (and all creatives for that) that work on a game/game system be credited by name? – All contributors to anything should always be credited.

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Happy Sunday… Still not awake… working through the XLBS…

@danlee good to hear your little one is better. Are those the Röknaut from @curis? And if so, why do you have yours and I don’t have mine? OUTRAGEOUS!

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@sundancer yes they are Röknaut from @curis. I got a message to say they had posted on Thursday or Friday, and they arrived Saturday by 2nd class post. Being in the UK myself will have helped. I guess he had the first 50 castings already done and ready to ship when the kickstarter ended.

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But I iz Backer #2! I DEMAND MY SHINY! 😉

Well, have fun with them. Let’s hope the “shipped from France” lot is here soon’ish

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@sundancer Ah well that will be because the package going to France to then be distributed in the EU will have to pass through the UK’s customs. That can take up to one or two weeks these days.

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