The Old World

[wolfie65Participant 1238xp 0]

An even better fit would be the Landsknechte from Nürnberger Meisterzinn – excellent quality metal molds from the 1970s when Germany was still Germany – I have the entire range, plus a few Prussians.

Poses would be somewhat limited, but they’ll rank up beautifully and would be BIG……

http://www.zinn-blei-soldaten.de/Nuernberger-Meisterzinn

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@wolfie65

I doubt we’ll see scale creep. Why bother with that when they can just resell the old models they already have at an absurd mark-up? Why wouldn’t you want to pay 2024 prices for 20 year old models?

The thing about this is that I just don’t see any value this brings to the industry. Other than making GW shareholders slightly richer.

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Old World preorders on 6th January, so we’ll get information on prices very soon.

I’m still expecting stupid expensive.

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I think we should start calling the company Nomad Investments instead of GW, those are, to the best of my knowledge, the main shareholders and they call the shots. The enthusiastic and very involved gamers who started and built the company are long gone.

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@labambaman – As already outlined in a previous post, I think they’ll sell just the old – well, 8th edition, so not THAT old….- models IF the system doesn’t sell well. The grognards will grumble but buy anyway and the ‘kids’ will simply ignore the whole thing completely.

But if it turns out that there is major interest  even among new players, expect new – and larger – minis by April at the latest.

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I am still excited about the old world. A chance to complete my army I started nearly 30 years ago.

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@redscope  if your wallet can take it 😉

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There’s been a few “leaks” of pricing via retailers, if they are correct then I was both wrong and right in some of my predictions.

The starter sets came in under by low end prediction of £185.

Bretonian Starter set £155

Tomb Kings Starter set £175

There’s no doubting that at over £150 each they are expensive, however they almost certainly offer “value” vs purchasing separately.

The regiment sets are a mixed bag, the old Tomb Guard (20) comes in at a whopping £47.50, that’s above my top end estimate meanwhile the new Foot Knights (10) are an eye watering £50.

So it appears, hook you in with a “value” starter then make the money on the regiments. It will be interesting to see what the prices of the old metals are when they come out and of the new resin characters.

I’ve no real interest in the skellys or the frenchbrits but if a Empire starter set game out at a similar price point for its contents I could be tempted to pick that up later in the year, as much to finish off old armies for Kings of War as anything.

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I’m toying with the idea of a Kings of War Twilight Kin army, or ambush, and padding it out with some of my Daughters of Khaine.

Or any one of a number of skirmish games I already have.

If GW had released a Dark Elves starter I may have been interested, but I don’t think they are even mentioned in Ravening Hordes.

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@wolfie65 nobody is saying scale creep doesn’t happen, only that the increased base size is not an indicator of scale creep.  Not least because we have seen the actual new models and they are the same size as the old WFB models that they are designed to sit alongside.  GW doesn’t want people using miniatures from one game in another (see HH and 40k where scales are starting to deviate) and so they won’t “creep” the miniatures scale on The Old World to ensure that it remains “incompatible” with AoS.  I also suspect that’s why there are no Skaven or Lizardmen planned for The Old World – because they are both AoS armies.

 

And there’s no speculation about what models they will be selling for The Old World.  They are 100% Going to be bringing back the miniatures as they were at the end of 8th edition but now packaged with 25mm bases. Regardless of whether it sells well or not, the intention is to reuse the old kits and, where ranges had metal/resin models, replace with new plastics.  It’s been made very clear that’s what the intention is.  So Brets are getting dismounted knights and a couple of new character miniatures.  They aren’t redesigning the entire range, for all intents and purposes they are bringing back the old Warhammer ranges.  That’s the intention from the outset.  For example, Brets are getting dismounted knights and a couple of new character miniatures.  It doesn’t appear that Grail Knights (previously metal) are going to make an appearance because we haven’t seen any new plastic cavalry, but it’s conceivable that questing knights might now be an infantry choice (also previously metal) as 2h weapons is an option for the dismounted knights.

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People talk about the prices but Bretonian Starter set is £155. If you purchase from local retailer you will get 10%-20%. Lets pick the bottom end 10% so that is 139.40. In that box you get 76 models that is £1.83 per a model.

The tomb kings box would be £157.5 in that set you get 93 figures which is £1.70 per a model.

In the tomb king you get a pretty big main model and the Bretonian have a lot of knights in that box.

When you consider Wizkids / reaper minis some of the cheaper ones on the market are double this price these GW boxes are great value.

I get where GW are making the money would be on the additional models but a unit of Tomb king guard would be just over 2 pounds a model.

For a 2,000 point army it would be about £220-£250 which is a fair amount of money but a Ps5 game new is £75 pounds. I still think as a hobby its great value for money from what you get out of it.

 

 

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On the issue of scale creep GW themselves have outright said this so I’m not sure how it’s a conspiracy or not going to happen. From their article about moving to bigger bases.

“Over the decades, our models have become larger and more dynamic, which means that many units have become difficult to arrange into ranks and files. ”

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/14/old-world-development-diary-on-bases-and-the-barons-of-bretonnia/

The test case will be the new Bretonnian Infantry, lets see how they scale with the other infantry then we’ll know for sure. I actually just saw this picture and I think we can safely say that while the old stuff is all coming back the same, the new stuff is definitely suffering from scale creep. Look at how massive the knights are compared to the peasants.

Apparently I can’t upload the picture but here’s the link.

Knights on foot are huge compared to the peasants. Why are new models for old world scaled more like AoS?
byu/HerrPoom inWarhammerFantasy

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@onlyonepinman – Lizards and Rats are not included because they are AoS armies – but Humans (‘Empire’ by other names), Dwarves, Orcs, Elves etc. are  included despite also being AoS armies….Yeah, makes perfect sense…..

We have seen the first wave of models. They are the old scale because they are the old models. Repeating myself: If the game is a flop, we will only see old models. If the game is a hit, we will see new, bigger models. Night Goblin regiments on 25 mm bases would look rather threadbare……

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@redscope – Those prices sound like outright highway robbery to me, especially since they are PLASTIC figures. The amounts you mentioned might be borderline ok if they were all METAL.

As for great value, I have in one of my way too many boxes a freezer bag full of nothing but Battlemasters and Heroquest Chaos figures, which came from the games and out of various bitz boxes of now defunct game stores.There are 30+ Marauder bowmen, 20+ Beastmen, 1 Ogre, 50+ Warriors, 5 complete Knights plus 2 who only have half a horse each. I have no idea how much I paid for the lot over the years, but I estimate that the figures in this bag probably cost me less than US$ 50.

Call me a dinosaur, but I cringe when metal figures cost over $ 2, plastic over $ 1 each.

[onlyonepinman 18063xp 0]

Most WFB armies have been fully superseded by a new, AoS specific equivalent with completely new model ranges, in the new scale and with new copyright-able names.  That’s not true of the Lizardmen and Skaven whose existing AoS ranges retain models from the WFB range.

The first wave of models are NOT all old models.  The Bretonnians are getting an entirely new kit of dismounted knights.  They’re also getting a selection of new characters.  We are ALREADY SEEING NEW MODELS IN THE OLD SCALE. You have even been show pictures from Warhammer’s own website showing those new models.  But that doesn’t seem to be good enough to convince you that new models are being released and they are not subject to scale creep.

Given the lead times for the design and development of new sets, new models for any other factions are already in production now regardless of whether it is a success or not.

@elessar2590 the old knights were always slightly larger than the peasants, even discounting that they were on horses.  I don’t they look subject to scale creep as such, I do think that they have changed the armour to full plate, which makes them look chunky, the old mounted knights lean towards a mixture of plates and chain.  The head dresses are also making them look much taller.  However they look about the height I would expect them to look, but a bit chunkier.  The peasants on the new Trebuchet look absolutely perfectly scaled

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