Soloman Kane KS about to arrive, and I couldn't care less!

[pagan8thParticipant 10863xp 0]

The conversation has drifted somewhat, but going back to the original comment regarding excitement and enthusiasm… I do find that the longer the wait, the more likely your enthusiasm will fade.

Perhaps a new ‘shiny’ has appeared, or your interests change (inspired by a new game, book, movie, tv series etc).

As time passes… impatience grows (turning to frustration eventually).

And covid is not helping, it adds to the delays and keeps us from playing with our friends… so you have to adapt your interests… some games work fine solo, others are great as two player games, but for many of us that’s the limit to the size of the gaming group for the near future… and some games are rubbish without 3 or more players.

In summary… life goes on… things change… focus shifts… excitement fades.

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 2]

And that’s exactly my point. If it’s something I want, my enthusiasm doesn’t fade over time, if anything the wait makes me more more excited when delivery eventually occurs.  I think if my excitement faded then it would be fair to say I probably didn’t want it all that much in the first place, I was just caught up in some hype.  When people say that their excitement has died I am trying to understand why that happens, what changes occur in the time between the kickstarter concluding and the final delivery and in what sort of timescales do those changes occur (which might then explain why certain delay lengths are considered more acceptable)

[flatbattery 8265xp 2]

@onlyonepinman and that reinforces the opinion that not everyone is the same, does it not?

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 2]

I don’t think I have suggested that everyone is the same, however I suspect the discussion about the degrees to which we actually differ is a little larger than this discussion.

But there’s clearly a mental process going on whereby you get from a state of being excited about getting something to no longer being excited about getting it over a period of time. And it’s that process that I genuinely don’t understand.  The only explanations can come up with are that either you didn’t really want it in the first place or that during the wait you just went off whatever it was (in this case Solomon Kane) – and if that’s true then again, you didn’t like it as much as you thought you did. They all come back to the same principle of knowing yourself.

[flatbattery 8265xp 2]

Why do you insist on the reasoning being so final. If anything you expect everyone to be the same (just like you), but as they’re not they must be this one other thing with no room for nuance.

It’s ok to not understand something.

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 1]

There’s nothing about what I am saying that is in any way “final”.  I am interested in trying to understand why people feel a certain way.  That understanding may help me, or indeed other people including the people who have experienced it, when looking at kickstarters or in the future; by understanding others we can often better understand ourselves and vice versa.  I don’t think we’re all the same but then again I also don’t think we differ all that much either. There’s a lot of truth to the statement we’re all unique, just like everyone else

It’s called a discussion, and if you don’t want such a thing I would suggest not posting something on an online forum where it’s always going to elicit one.

[flatbattery 8265xp 1]

But your continual standpoint is, I don’t understand so therefore you probably didn’t want it in the first place.

I for one will never spend hundreds of pounds on something I don’t want, but I can easily have a lower opinion of said item after a number of years. Like somebody mentioned earlier circumstances, priorities, opinions, etc change over time with or without supporting or detrimental information.

Yes, some will buy into things for differing reasons, but who, apart from the well off, or mentally ill will part with large sums of money for something they don’t really want?

[pagan8thParticipant 10863xp 0]

Understanding why people ‘feel’ a certain way is not simple thing.

Sometimes it’s difficult to put into words…

Life is not a constant. It changes and if your life changes your emotional state changes.

If life is on a down swing your enthusiasm for unrelated things may change.

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 1]

No my continual point is “I don’t understand why people feel a certain way, nobody has explained it and the only explanation I can see is…”.  It’s subtly different

[flatbattery 8265xp 0]

Perhaps we can’t explain it, as it will likely occur on an unconscious level. I’m no psychologist, so that’s probably me done.

[horus500 11505xp 1]

I don’t think it’s that hard to understand. Agree to meet a friend on a street corner. They tell you they will be there at midday. You arrive at midday and they fail to appear. Half an hour goes by and other friends walk by asking you to join them. You have limited time and money so you can’t join them all. Your friend rings and says they will be late, probably another half an hour. More friends pass by and continue to ask you to join them. An hour goes by and your friend shows up. You’re angry at them and let them know it and a passer by says “Why are you angry? He showed up”.

The issue in a nutshell is – they are late, their game rules are never that good to begin with, their miniature are very good but there are other manufacturers whos miniatures are of equal of better quality I could have purchased at the same time which I would have owned for nearly 3 years by now.

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 1]

I considered this as a possible analogy and I don’t think the meeting of a friend is a good one. You agreed to meet your friend at a certain time and you went out of your way to be there, your friend didn’t put in the same effort and was late. You also only have a finite window in which that meeting can take place before you have to go home therefore by being late, your friend has affected your potential enjoyment of that meeting. Thus if your friend is late you have wasted your time and you are angry.

That doesn’t really apply to games – once it actually arrives you have an almost limitless window of opportunity to play it and you didn’t waste anything in the intervening time between the kickstarter and delivery. Using that analogy implies that you were excited about playing your kickstarter but only if you could play it on a specific date as opposed to playing it at a totally unspecified time, or that somehow your life was put on hold waiting for its arrival.

To go back to the friend analogy I can understand how that mindset could apply to monitoring progress against the kickstarter project. Each time they announce a delay you get less inclined to want to heae their excuses or whatever; they become habitual, you lose trust, you don’t care what they’re saying any more. However you have now received as close to a cast iron guarantee that you will soon have the Solomon Kane game, so you you don’t need to listen to more excuses. It’s actually going to turn up.

In your example, Mythic Games are the friend, not the product itself. So I think it is still possible and reasonable to allow yourself to be be excited about solomon Kane without necessarily being excited about Mythic Games. Separate the art from the artist, as it were.

If you’re not excited because their rules are never any good, then that’s fine but I don’t think that’s got anything to do with the project being late. At the moment, until it delivers its an unknown – like schrödinger’s rules. But even if we just accept that it’s now a guarantee that the rules will be a dog’s dinner, they would have been a dog’s dinner even if they delivered on time, so the driver for the loss in excitement is actually previous experiences with them, or a perception of based on other people’s experiences and reviews. Perhaps the delay is the icing on the cake, the straw that broke the camel’s back or whatever (“the miniatures are ok but other better ones are available, the rules are absolutely garbage and to top it all off its 18 months late!”). But I still don’t think it’s the main reason behind the lack of excitement is lateness – it’s all the other things. But if all of the other things you said about the project are indeed true, then it sounds like a project you wouldn’t really have been happy with anyway, regardless of when it delivered.

I get people being angry at delays, but I don’t think that anger is being targeted correctly.

[horus500 11505xp 1]

I think the analogy is perfect. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. It’s pretty clear by the comments of the KS page that the friendship with Mythic is over for thousands of it’s customers.

[pagan8thParticipant 10863xp 1]

I agree with  @horus500, the analogy is good.

If I had a friend that was late on regular basis and unapologetic about it… they would no longer be a person I’d want to see and probably no longer a friend.

[maledrakhParticipant 11996xp 4]

I had a KS for a gaming mat (gripmat) I backed in 2013 (I think it was, plus/minus a year) deliver in 2020. Miracles happen. of course, I no longer play the game I ordered the mat for…

I too am waiting for the Solomon Kane game. And frankly, I too, couldn’t give a damn any more.
It’s more like “sigh. where do I put this then, the shelves are full” when I get such a shipment these days.

I think I might have passed the point of oversaturation.

And 3D printing my minis really has changed how I  look at things.

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