Show us zee papers.. Passports of your not coming in ever….

[soulman 2945xp 5]

A discussion about gaming events and access via vaccination passports etc.

[darthcheeseParticipant 4436xp 15]

*sigh* sheep in masks? Really.

[midnightblueParticipant 1300xp 14]

I can only speak for myself, and I know that I would never forgive myself if I directly or indirectly caused harm to someone else.  So yes, I’m taking this seriously.  I have a lot of elderly and immune deficient clientele and family, so I’m being as careful as I can and listening to healthcare and science experts (NOT political pundits and politicians).  And with this bug, sometimes there is no apparent rhyme or reason as to who gets hit the worst by it.

If health experts tell me that getting vaccinated and/or wearing a mask is what needs to be done to eventually shut this pandemic down and get us back to a semblance of normal, while safeguarding as many lives as possible, then that’s what I’m going to do.  No one likes it, but that’s no reason not to be a good neighbor to those around me.

I wish everyone well in this crazy and, hopefully, once in a lifetime event.

[warzanKeymaster 31125xp 13]

Look I understand that many folk have differing opinions on the pandemic and the way it’s being handled. But as a society, we have to show some pragmatism here. Regardless of how severe you think the pandemic is it does pose a great risk to a lot of people. As a society, it’s on us to come together and try and give a level of protection to folk who need it. It may not require any heroics etc but that doesn’t make it any less important or worthwhile to those who need us to help protect them. Likewise we as a society are trying to find ways of opening up so we can keep the wheels churning. So nothing in all of this is ever going to be black and white, and the vast majority of folk just want to do things that will help.

So measures such as vaccine passports and masks are just a part of that. If you feel it’s impinging on rights etc that is perfectly fine, but there will come a time later when that can be addressed. But for the moment these extraordinary times are requiring us to make some (imho simple) sacrifices) – I will always keep an eye on the balance between restrictions and the severity of the pandemic, but at this stage I know we are still in the early mid stages of the pandemic and all sorts of stuff can still go wrong. (Pandemics of this type don’t burn out quickly)

So I think we have to take a bit of a step back sometimes and take a pragmatic view on all of this, time doesn’t stop and we can always address any issues that arrive later… 🙂

[soulman 2945xp 2]

If this topic becomes a little hot… please remove dear warzan… hoping one day to be on your show, so I`m not here to rock the boat dear friends..Then again how i get to ireland I may need to swim…!

Be well and safe people….

[khusrauParticipant 1169xp 7]

Like so many historical mini wargamers I’m in a vulnerable category. Even double vaccinated I won’t be going to shows or putting on games at shows unless there are assurances by organisers that they have appropriate safety measures in place, and that (for the moment at least), includes masks.

As the organiser of a (small) regional show, here in the UK, I will be responsible for folks safety as attendees and retailers. At the moment that means protecting others by insisting on masks or a valid medical reason not to wear a mask.

Passports I think are relevant only to demonstrate an attempt to transfer responsibility to the attendees.

[soulman 2945xp 1]

Im going to delete this... and Im guessing you will not read this reply anyway…

This is a place to talk about our hobby and lock ourselves away from the world to find peace. This great website and lovely people don`t need this news here when its everywhere else..

Big sorry people…. lets talk games…

Ps… How to I delete a topic..!!!!  any mods out there, you have my yes to delete the post for me….

[khusrauParticipant 1169xp 2]

No. I read your original post, and it is pertinent to gaming generally.  We can’t avoid reality altogether. All I can say is what I will choose as an organiser and as an attendee.

[midnightblueParticipant 1300xp 2]

I have zero problems with talking rationally about hot topics.  There is no doubt that this is an issue that bleeds into every aspect of our lives, including our fun and diverting hobbies and games.  So far, seems like folks are offering calm and rational responses to the original posts frustrations.  I think we are all feeling those same frustrations and wishing dearly for a return to normal.  I just think it is going to take a bit more work and sacrifice on each of our parts for us to get to that ideal world.  🙂

[soulman 2945xp 1]

Thanks boys ( meaning all sexes ) most kind…I`m out to get some fresh warm air and get my lungs working.. back later in the day. Delete or not, I wish you well…. bit hot for painting Forbidden fortress in my loft right now 🙂

[warhammergrimace 13766xp 15]

No offence I’m bored with the mask issue.

My wife spends most of her day wearing a mask in surgery and she has no side effects

I spent 24 hrs in a respirator in the desert heat humping 35kg artillery shells. On one fire mission our guns ammo truck broke down and we had to fetch shells from anothers guns ammo truck, this meant a 100 plus metre sprint whilst carrying a 35kg shell in respirator and full NBC suit. There were 3 of us doing this for a 50 round fire mission.

Now if I can fucking run in a respirator whilst carrying one or two artillery shells in the heat of the desert.

Then I can’t see any reason why most folk can’t stick a bloody paper or cloth mask over their gob whilst in a shop for the benefit  of everyone else.

In regards to vaccine passports, I don’t personally have an issue with them. I can understand some folk have a problem with them especially if they don’t want to get a vaccine. That’s their choice and if that means you’ll be restricted until the pandemic is over then you’ll just have to accept that.

[darthcheeseParticipant 4436xp 6]

There is an entirely adult conversation to be had around what could become a two tier society and the possible erosion of civil liberties. Unfortunately starting the topic by making out one is are “sheep” is like the other side saying anyone who disagrees needs to take their tinfoil hat off. The conversation doesn’t happen.

[flatbattery 8265xp 3]

I’m in somewhat of an agreement that the vaccine passport is a step too far, considering so far as I understand the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus, but suppresses symptoms and that some people can’t have the vaccine on medical grounds anyway. What are those people going to do? Admittedly I haven’t looked into it, so this could have been answered already.

That being said, I do have to say that whatever course of action is inevitably taken by some people, I disagree in the strongest possible terms in riots.

Personally I’ll be complying until some solid answers are found, my wife suffers from a number of autoimmune conditions and I work in further education, so we’re constantly worried that I’ll catch it and bring it home, especially considering teenagers have been the least likely to consider others and comply with requirements, in my observations. Taking recommended precautions we’ve been ok so far, hopefully we can remain that way.

[midnightblueParticipant 1300xp 1]

flatbattery

I’m in somewhat of an agreement that the vaccine passport is a step too far, considering so far as I understand the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread of the virus, but suppresses symptoms and that some people can’t have the vaccine on medical grounds anyway. What are those people going to do? Admittedly I haven’t looked into it, so this could have been answered already.

I specifically asked this question of my doctor after my second shot because I honestly had no idea what exactly being vaccinated meant for me and those around me.  I was wondering if I should still be wearing a mask for the benefit of others.  I was told by the doctor that the vaccine would make it so that even if I did contract the virus, that it would be contained to such a small measure that I’d be unlikely to be able to transmit it to others or get seriously sick myself.  He said I wouldn’t need to wear a mask (of course unless I needed to by location guidelines, but not for health reasons).

So that suggests that being able to show that you are vaccinated, as in with a legitimate passport, that you shouldn’t be able to transmit COVID to others even if you do manage to contract it yourself.

Again, that’s what I was told specifically from a doctor in person when I asked this very same question.  Hope it helps.  🙂

 

[warhammergrimace 13766xp 3]

My brother in law who’s a viologist said that the vaccine reduces the chance of catching the virus and if you do catch it limits the symptoms, so that you’re less likely to end up in hospital but it’s not 100%.

He also said that the longer it’s circulating within the community then there is a greater chance that a variant develops that the vaccine either doesn’t work against or becomes less effective.

In regards to beng infectious he said you’d still be infectious to others but at a reduced capacity.

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