HEROQUEST – Hasbro / Ludofilia GameZone

[angelicdespot 4689xp 1]

Wow, that’s pretty low… I understand a company getting the figures wrong and being unable to deliver on a crowdfunding campaign. Quite something else to have a kind of ‘get out of jail free-ish’ card from Hasbro, to take the money from backers and then screw them over deliberately. If they didn’t intend to deliver, they shouldn’t have taken Hasbro up on their offer or made the offer to backers.

PS. Would you mind linking to the Facebook group? Assuming it’s a public one that I could join. It would be nice to have a source of info as Gamezone certainly aren’t doing any updating…

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 0]

Their website states that everything will be shipped later this year, including any Hasbro games that people decided to switch to.  It also states copies of the Hasbro game have been ordered.  At this juncture that’s far from a guarantee of anything but while they allowed people to swap their pledge from the GameZone game to the Hasbro one, they didn’t at any point commit to shipping immediately.  Their last announcement states that Hasbro copies have been ordered.  They aren’t currently going back on anything that they said they would or would not do, although I am still skeptical about whether they will ever deliver anything (prepare for the worst and hope for the best etc)

[odinsgrandsonParticipant 4288xp 1]

The facebook group is at https://www.facebook.com/groups/254258941432033

It is in Spanish primarily, so people respond to posts in English just fine.

– As for the copies. What the Dakkaites have put together is that Hasbro offered to sell a number of copies to Gamezone (Ludofilia or whatever) at a steep discount, but also that Gamezone didn’t actually purchase any copies.

Personally, I see no reason whatsoever for Gamezone to keep copies of the Hasbro game in a warehouse (where they have to pay for storage) rather than shipping them out immediately.

[angelicdespot 4689xp 1]

@onlyonepinman

“Their website states that everything will be shipped later this year, including any Hasbro games that people decided to switch to… they didn’t at any point commit to shipping immediately. ”

That may all be true, but it doesn’t change that it was a low thing to do. I confess I didn’t scour their website when I switched my order (though I’m pretty sure I did look at it as I had to go there and log in to place the order). It’s a pretty normal expectation for something you’ve ordered to be posted when it’s available. If you’re pre-ordering something you know it won’t be sent until it’s manufactured; if you kickstart something you know you won’t get it until it’s made, etc. For a product that people knew would be made available, there’s no excuse not to ship it ASAP, especially given that they charged people to ‘upgrade’.

It certainly doesn’t give confidence that they’re intending to honour this commitment, let alone be able to get anything to backers of their game.

Out of interest, where are you seeing their announcements? I haven’t received an email from them in years.

@odinsgrandon

Thanks for the link. I’ve applied to join.

[onlyonepinman 18060xp 0]

I don’t know all the specifics of your situation but Game Zone offered the option for people to swap their pledge for a copy of their game to a copy of the Hasbro game.  Essentially in doing so all you did was change the pledge reward, you didn’t order anything.

I don’y know why they have decided to delay shipping the Hasbro copies – I could speculate but I won’t because I don’t really want a discussion about it.  Fact of the matter is that they have and they never said, to the best of my knowledge, that switching from their game to the Hasbro game would actually mean you get it earlier

[angelicdespot 4689xp 1]

I think – though am not absolutely certain now – that anyone wanting to swap had to pay a nominal extra amount. Sure, they (probably) never said they’d ship it straight away, but I’d bet that most people assumed they’d get their copy sooner rather than later. It’s hard to think of a good reason why they wouldn’t ship a copy of a game they’d acquired from Hasbro.

And given that most people would (probably, and not unreasonably) expect to have been sent their copy sooner rather than later, it doesn’t instill confidence or engender goodwill to not do so – especially when they didn’t warn people at the time that they wouldn’t get their copy any sooner than the original game they were working on.

I think I’m generally pretty relaxed about Kickstarter deliveries. I get that things always turn out harder and more expensive than anticipated, and that some projects fail. What bugs me about these guys is that they seemingly had an opportunity provided to them by Hasbro to enable them to get something to at least some of their backers. And they don’t seem to have taken it.

[odinsgrandsonParticipant 4288xp 2]

Everyone who swapped thought they were getting the game sooner rather than later. The main selling point of the swap was that the Hasbro game exists in a way that TseuQuest likely never will.

The problem is that it is not financially sound to store copies of the Hasbro game rather than ship them out. I just ends up costing extra to store them in the mean time and more to send them after shipping prices have risen.

[angelicdespot 4689xp 1]

Huh, there have been two updates in the last few weeks… Everyone on this thread may have already seen them, but in case not, here they are:

“Family Portrait
Hello adventurers and evil warlocks!

We are back with another update regarding the printing material that… we are already receiving!

This phase of the project is exciting because we finally have in our hands the culmination of years of work. Besides, we can also show you our beloved TseuQuest (basic) as it deserves.

But it hasn’t all been joy. When reviewing the material received we have detected some unexpected printing errors. They are a small part, but as they are errors that affect the gameplay we can’t overlook them. We have decided not to ship the games and give a reprint order to the printer house of the affected components. It will take 4 to 5 weeks to send us the corrected items. As soon as we receive them, we will add them to the game boxes we already have here, so this setback will be solved.

See you soon!

PS: Many of you have asked us about the product that we are showing. For now we are focused on showing the components that make up the TseuQuest retail version, that is currently available for presale. Actually all games of the backer and retail versions are already manufactured and stocked. Of the 8 trailer trucks that we have to receive with the games, we already have 3 in our Gamezone facilities, whose capacity is limited to the contents of 4 trucks at a time. We will need to ship the games as soon as we can, so that we can continue to receive them from the warehouse of the printer”

Family Portrait

And:

“Languages and pre-sales update
Hello adventurers and evil warlocks!

In this update I’m going to talk mainly about the languages in which TseuQuest will be released.

From the beginning we have been working with the idea that the game will be available in 5 languages (English, French, German, Italian and Spanish) at its release, with all that this implies, because it is not the same to manage a project in only one language that in so many languages at the same time in parallel. The easy way would have been to release a fist wave in one language and then the rest in subsequent waves, but since when have we opted for the easy way out?

We are very satisfied with the level of the translations as we have had native speakers of each language who are also lifelong boardgame’s players. But that doesn’t mean that it hasn’t been a challenge to tray to maintain the spirit we wanted in the texts. Besides, the layout of the texts itself has been quite complex and has given us more that one headache, but here you can see the final result:

We would also like to announce that we have expanded the TseuQuest website with a section in Italian (sorry for the delay), where we will give you information on the progress of the project in that language as we are doing with the other languages.

On another issue, we have updated the TseuQuest pre-sale information:
– Monday, August 8th was the last day to get the added reward of two special figures when buying a TseuQuest box in pre-sale.
– On the other hand, we will continue to keep the price of TseuQuest at €110 until the 11th of September, when the price will be updated to €134.

By the way, have you noticed how many items are included in the basic set? Among the 46 miniatures (all of them different), the 48 scenary elements and the 35 tokens, there are a total of 129 figures. Not bad, right?

Finally, you will also find information in our online shop if the pre-sale copies of TseuQuest become scarce in any language.

That’s all I wanted to tell you this time, see you in the next update!”

Languages and pre-sales update

I haven’t copied the photos across.

[limburger 21668xp 0]

*eep* … print errors this late in production ? That sucks …

[slayerofworldsParticipant 3449xp 0]

@limburger

At this point, I dont think any cares at all about any errors.   Lol.  If the game arrives, it will be a miracle in on its own.   I would be a very happy gut to get my error filled copy.

[limburger 21668xp 0]

@slayerofworlds I can sort of understand that … best get this thing over with, right ?

I’d still be dissapointed if that happened with a kickstarter I had backed.

[odinsgrandsonParticipant 4288xp 0]

Oh yeah.

I do gotta say, I spent years thinking this wasn’t going to deliver (pretty much since the first Kickstarter). But now I’m starting to think that it is actually going to happen, and not even be a whole decade late.

[ced1106Participant 6224xp 0]

So where did they get the money to print all this? I thought they owed workers money, owed the warehouse money, etc.

“PS: Many of you have asked us about the product that we are showing. For now we are focused on showing the components that make up the TseuQuest retail version, that is currently available for presale. Actually all games of the backer and retail versions are already manufactured and stocked. Of the 8 trailer trucks that we have to receive with the games, we already have 3 in our Gamezone facilities, whose capacity is limited to the contents of 4 trucks at a time. We will need to ship the games as soon as we can, so that we can continue to receive them from the warehouse of the printer”

Good luck! Where’d they find the money for shipping? :O

[slayerofworldsParticipant 3449xp 1]

@Ced

The general consensus is that they got a bunch of money from Hasbro to drop any and all “claims” they had to the “Heroquest” name.

There is no proof, but that is the rumor.

[limburger 21668xp 0]

I’d love to see a comparison between the retail version of this and the variant Hasbro released.
Not just in terms of production quality, but also in terms of mechanics and overall experience.

@slayerofworlds I think there’s a fair bit of pre-order money in there as well … I hope someday we get to hear the full story behind this thing.

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