Cult Of Games XLBS: Are Historical Wargames History?
September 6, 2020 by avernos
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It’s the XLBS SHOW!!! Happy Sunday fellow CoG… It’s the Power of Three this week. A trilogy of OTT Celebrities. @lloyd starts us off talking about a 14-year-old Schoolgirl! Yup, it’s going to be that kind of show… 🙂 {she was a real spitfire} @avernos always impresses me with his ability to chug through projects. The Ogres are Amazing and well done! Quote of the show…..”Nice from afar, but far from NICE” Well done @lloyd and then @brennon said, well, check it out at 53:18 …… nuff said. Love the Bushido Battle Board! Even fish in the resin water under… Read more »
Happy Sunday!
I’ll have to see what that other video has to say, hope it’s short, but y0Historical gaming has been a thing for over 100 years and will continue one way or another.
Maybe part of its fanbase that is interested in historical what-if scenarios have new tools and toys in the form of software like the Total-War series, but I suspect modelling and collecting big boys’ toys will continue to appeal to many, possibly alongside more imagined genres.
I think of of the first people in the video, David (the Frank Zappa wannabe) nailed it with product/packaging. As someone’s who would nail the average age profile I grew up with make-do toys , for example for me Lego was just bricks that you used to create things from your own imagination; various newer generations are used to getting specific boxes of Lego to build specific things. The idea of collecting elements from all over the place from various hobbyist specialists and fusing that into a cohesive game takes time, research and effort – having it served up oven-ready… Read more »
what a fresh faced youth he was with no grey in the whiskers.
Historicals still have that stigma attached to them, of being played by folk (which is fine) that are so into the facts, that even when building the models for a person just wanting to shoot a tank is intimidating. I glued a gun on a 25mm shaft, which one is that?? No idea of the slight difference of the 3 gun options, then in your head all you can hear is your opponent telling you that you’ve got the wrong gun followed by the full history of the factory that made the gun and where it got its metal from… Read more »
* Internet High Five * Epic post. I smiled when you discuss the stigma of historicals, come on we have all known a “your buttons are the wrong colour” person. But they are the minority. I knew a recreationist years back and that community apparently loves giving crap to their version of it, “you didnt hand stitch using a 2mm bone needle” if you used a sewing machine for something including internal seams. I have always love historicals, many of the older (more distant in history) are even more interesting, at least to look at. When I was young I… Read more »
Is historical gaming dying out?
As Henry Hyde tweeted “Don’t be daft”
No yet watched the show, but was curious about the topic. For my two cents I don’t think historicals are dying out, but I think what gamers think as typical historical games are. There has been a leap towards squirmish/war band scale games (take Saga for example- everyone take a shot) over the years, where as Games where you are moving whole battalions / regiments / brigades like used to be promoted (fire and fury, shako, are the two immediate pre coffee examples) are I believe definitely on the decline as time and space does. I think you also don’t… Read more »
I do think that there are some people who are put off by historical gaming still have misconceptions about it being just doing a historical battle and redoing it step by step I woukd also suggest that what @nogbadthebad suggests about historical gamers being over fussy about facings etc isn’t my experience either. Again it is a probably my misconception but proxing units is not something the majority of historical players are that worried about as long as they look correct enough ie your not using British Napoleonics as French or SS as Russians into WW2 and from what I… Read more »
I agree @torros, I think as it has been around longer (arguably) people have more experience either first hand or from others of historical gamers so all get tarred with the brush. I might profer the hypothesis that people are less forgiving of those telling them they’ve coloured something wrong, compared with wysiwig as “the rule book states” wysiwig. I also think those who most likely to complain are possibly tournament players who sometimes fail to remember not all games are tourney related and fun can be more important… (apologies to any tournament players who feel slighted, not the intent,… Read more »
Lol Hi Guy’s.
Yay the Scots saving the country again.
Happy Cogg Day All. That Heroquest board is looking SWEEEET was a huge fan back as a kid, hours spent with mates dungeon delving. I was thinking the other day that Warlord Games must at some point release a Allo Allo set for bolt action as they did with Dads Army. Really like the look of the new Mantic Goblins. Audrey Hepburns resistance work was known to me but it lit up those little grey cells and reminded me of Hedy Lamar and her work on Radio guided Torpedos during WW2 see link below https://www.inventionandtech.com/content/hedy-lamarr-radio-controlled-torpedo As a biased fan of… Read more »
I think both Peter and Wofun are doing excellent jobs, for £20 and a printer you can get enough sheets to recreate pretty much any conflict you want from Peter, and if you’re after something as nice but more robust then the Wofun are rocking in at roughly half the price of 15mm figures with the benefit of no painting.
I’d never heard of Hedy working on the torpedos that is fascinating, thanks for the link
Your welcome. Big fan of Wofun especially the sets using Mr Dennis work, I still struggle with the digital faces Wofun chose to use on the earlier ranges. My nephews and I have great fun with the paperboy range.
You need a tin foil hat Lloyd.
Yay up the anti @avernos
Run the inquisitors are coming.
He may have seen a glaswegin hen night that scary 20+ drunk women Gerry
Hobbit Orks ?
The pubic Wars? Gerry
Mantic have a lot of really good fantasy ranges, and provide an affordable way to play mass fantasy and also have an awesome rules set in Kings of War. I would guess 85% of the negative stuff you read or hear about their models and kits comes from people who have never bought or even built their stuff. 95% of people who complain about Restic don’t know how to use a hobby knife… Yes, the first goblin plastics and Men at Arms where terrible… Restic shouldn’t have been used for Asterian and some of the fantasy infantry and some of… Read more »
Yup. Mantic stuff is a mixed bag. The restic stuff generally from around 5 years ago is a bit of a pain – most of the Dreadball stuff is in this category, as is some of the early Deadzone su=tuff, but the later stuff is a bit better (although I am still not that fussed of it as a material generally – but it is better than GW’s Failcast it has to be said), and they had some unfortunate experiences with their hard plastics when they first switched to a Chinese supplier away from Renedra (the first version of the… Read more »
The new where’s Gerry game?
The corona virus may change thing’s guy’s.
Happy Sunday! From my personal perspective I would certainly say the historical wargame hobby is changing. Warlord, a company led by guys who learned what worked at GW, is perhaps at thd forefront of that movement, but Gripping Beast, and others are also in that space. Making historical gaming accessible to the time-poor and the non-obsessives is what works. Nothing wrong with being obsessive over accuracy and minutiae, but when that was the *only* way to play, then gatekeeping was an issue. Now anyone can become a “historical wargamer” by buying a Warlord starter box off the shelf and havibg… Read more »
Happy Sunday…. and I have nothing to add…
maybe @blinky465 …. how about that chess like gaming piece in the Millennium Falcon in Star Wars… can you do those minis? Moving and with sound? 😉
Erm. Nope.
don’t be shy 😉
The video an board game’s may join together ?
Darkangle the world.
@robert – I bought into Dreadball as soon as it was released. The quality of the minis is appalling. Not just the terrible rubbery material they’re made from, but the lack of detail on the goblins, for example (just blobs for hands IIRC). A few years later I tried them again, a couple of boxes of resin furniture for dressing up a sci-fi board. The detail was there, but the pieces were warped and curved and didn’t sit flat. Their customer support wasn’t brilliant either and after two weeks of basically being told there was nothing wrong with the scatter… Read more »
It could be the future with the best bit of the two areas joined to make better games.
Like that Xbox game you scan the figures into the game to play as that figure?
You should start a 3D company that you can nip around to print the model’s for the people who don’t have any.
For years I thought the White Dwarf was a heavy metal magazine as it was in with the that lot at the shops.
It’s beer O’Clock?
A brill show Guy’s.
Historic wargaming covers a range of games that are on the more abstract side (more ‘gamey’ if you like) to more simulation style battles. I can see the former being fairly healthy, but I think the latter is possible more niche and passion projects. After all, recreating something like Austerlitz requires a huge amount of effort. One of the things I like about historical gaming is the variety of rule sets, and that there are typically lots of different manufacturers to supply miniatures, often independent from the rule systems. I like shopping around and supporting different independent companies to buy… Read more »