Weekender XLBS: Is Wargaming Under Threat?
January 27, 2019 by lloyd
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Uh oh, am I first? Happy Sunday, everyone! 😀
you beat me to it, i had to decide between making coffee or posting a comment..
I was still up on Saturday night. 😐 So I guess I had an unfair advantage.
Happy sunday
Oh boy, here comes the XLBS!
Feet up and I think a four-shot Espresso is in order.
Wow! I’m late! Look at everybody here already.
Well, that’s what I get for actually doing work instead of attending to proper priorities. 😉 😛
Happy Sunday!!!!
@warzan You could go to EM4 miniatures and get the old Grenadier Fantasy Warrior plastics . You can Orcs and Dwarfs . There about £7 for 48 miniatures
Scale comparison?
I think they were 28mm and would fit in with anything from the late 99’s early 2000’s But probably smaller than anything that gets released for fantasy these days.
Happy Sunday…. brst wishes to all the little gaming boys and girls across the world
in the early thirteenth century England was invaded by the French, and that Louis, son and heir of the French king Philip Augustus, was declared king by the English by the Barons looking to depose King John.Not sure if the too if my head if that was Louis VIII or IX
Edward 3 father of the Black Prince Think Crecy etc
The bloke using the bags is a disgrace. He could have at least used green bags
*shakes head* Justin the powergamer I’m surprised he manages to get a game
For you tube why don’t you title every video
“This isn’t 40k it’s………”
Mornings everyone. Happy sunday <3
@lloyd search for magnetic kitchen knife holders for all your magnetic strip needs!
That’s the exact thing Tony cheers
Oh, that’s good.
Useful for holding brushes as well I assume?
not really, very few brushes have a ferrule made from a ferrous metal because they spend so much time wet. So they’re not magnetic
Aha! Thanks Gerry 🙂
Happy Sunday! The answer (before I watch the video) is clearly that whilst GW continue to focus on space dollies and elfy/orcy content then the rest of the industry will flourish in tbeir own way offering a different fare. Maybe GW are doing a better job of retaining (and even re-recruiting some) loyal customers and upselling more products to their captive audience through smarter packaging. It ‘s certainly a more customer focussed approach than a previous “if we build it they will buy” mentality. But many GW gamers eventually grow out of their offering and others were never attracted to… Read more »
Let’s just do some maths on this Danny Dyer lineage. Binary exponential maths. Scary name but basically we have two parents (2^1), 4 grand-parents (2^2) and so forth and so 26 generations back we have over 67 million ancestors just at that level. Quick conclusion? We’re all related to royalty it’s just a case of finding the evidence. 25 years ago, beforethis was all on the internet my mother did family geneology and discovered that, working back through the generations, my great(x4) Grandmother (one of 64 Gx4GPs) came from a certain well-to-do family with lineage tracing me back to a… Read more »
Its the old I’m related to Charlemagne. But then again in Western Europe so is everyone else. The problems are serfs taking or being known as the same surname as the local lord. Being a drect descendant and being descended from are very different. Same as these rip off DNA tests as they can only compare your results to other people who have taken the tests. On a different note Edward I worked out he was a direct descendant of King Arthur( just like me ?) just to show people have been making this stuff up for centuries
If anyone is interested in the actual term for this, apparently it’s called ‘pedigree collapse’. Wikipedia article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_collapse .
I’ve had it pointed out that 2^32 is closer to 4.3b, not thr 3.2b I stated. As an ex computer techie I know this and am pained that I made such a mistake.
Further developments… Online geneology has now let me trace back to Rollo too; and to be honest – given my resemblance to Rollo in that multi series Viking documentary everyone’s on about – I’m not surprised! 😉
@warzan where The Guardian article mentions Malifaux & WarmaHordes seeing drop offs, both of those systems are in the midst of editions that have proven divisive with the existing fan bases, many of whom migrated to them after being turned off by GW. Is it not unreasonable then to assume that as the pendulum has swung back the other way there will be a similar migration back?
Depends if GW has learnt their lesson and continue to remember it.
The number of projects that I have been involved in with my old day job where the Project Manager would right up the lessons learnt, present it to the higher ups and it would never be looked at again….
One of the reasons why computer projects have such a high failure rate.
Distribution is also a factor in those games. Privateer Press have made it far more expensive at least in the UK to get a good number of models, especially the bigger stuff as they have to order from the states and of course get customs put on top. Wyrd seem to have screwed up getting stuff over from China.
Poor Justin. He just can’t understand the riling. Another great show guys.
To attach the ice models head etc why not use double sided clear tape Plus Lloyd should use a clear plastic rod or strip for his light support Why didn’t the guy simply borrow empty orc boxes off the game store shelf and put them on the table without even buying them.. Wouldn’t play this guy, I’m with Justin on this Haven’t played GW for over a decade and have never regretted it. Tournaments were full of arseholes who measured to the absolute millimetre, were souless, no sense of humour and generally shit to play against. GWs prices have always… Read more »
To pick up on the Danny Dyer stuff, you can go much further back than Rollo. Going back to Empress Matilda’s (first husband was Emperor of the HRE) (Lady of the English, all but England’s first Queen but never crowned), mother, Matilda of Scotland, you are into the Scottish royal line and Cinead mac Alpin (Kenneth MacAlpin), first real ruler of a united Scots and Pict, Scotland, which leads to eventually back to Fergus Mor of Dal Riata, who fl. in the late 5th century, Matilda of Scotland’s, mother was Saint Margaret of Scotland, who’s father was Edward the Exile,… Read more »
Sufficient swastikas. You may proceed.
Happy Sunday! Here’s an independent retailers view from Australia; Point 1: As an independent retailer I can say GW went from 30% (and falling) of my business 3 years ago to 60% (and rising) today. Even MTG is declining. No other company puts in the effort in terms of marketing and sales assistance that GW does. Point 2: Are you guys nuts? As an independent retailer myself I would never bad-mouth GW publically. Not because you said anything false, but the happy lovely GW facade is paper thin. It’s a brave retailer that pisses them off. Point 3: A number… Read more »
Great perspective – thanks for sharing.
Great response aligns pretty much exactly with what I’m seeing. 🙂
I don’t think its the return of the Evil Empire per se. Well if it is, they have gone for the secretive Senator Palpatine’s republic route rather than the First Order’s Empire (I love mixing IP’s here, somewhere in the world, nerds are raging. Live long and prosper, I say!).
I won’t start to worry about diversity until GW revives Warhammer Historicals. If they do that, companies like Warlord, Vitrix, Battlefront and Gripping Beast and a hundred other little companies could genuinely be at risk if GW put in some genuine effort.
I can’t see them resurrecting the W:Historicals, it was only given as a sop to the designers and sculptors who worked for them with that interest. It grew slightly larger than they wanted and once those people left it was wrapped up fairly shortly afterwards.
As I said in the show, Historicals were around before and I expect them to be here long after we’re all gone.
While the background material in W Historicals was great the rules were awful
They were OK. Taking magic out of Warhammer was all they did. When you compare it to other rule sets that are out now they were particularly ordinary, but at the time I understood why they took a system many people were familiar with in an attempt to migrate them into historicals.
Totally agree that it’s highly unlikely. I imagine if they did it would be in an largely uncontested area like 10mm (Warmaster) scale. The reality is that going into 28mm ancients or WWII would mean producing rules that could really challenge Hail Caesar or Bolt Action. The Minis themselves can’t really get much better than what’s already being produced and the copyright options mean GW couldn’t stop other companies from producing product for it.
There is a lot of 10mmm ancient/Medieval figures already out there. through Pendraken , Magister Miltum etc
There is but all from small companies that GW could knock over in a heartbeat. Realistically they can take 28mm Vitrix quality ancients and electronically shrink them 10mm without effort and because they are GW people would buy them.
Again I doubt GW would/will. But if they re-entered the historical war gaming scene, AND produced miniatures for historicals, then I would have serious concerns for market diversity.
Justin it his his hobby….If he happy why should we judge him lol
Happy Sunday! Based on my limited and adecdotal experience, there’s more and more people getting into the miniature wargames through boardgames. In our club, it used to be that pretty much everybody had some sort of Warhammer past, but now when I meet new people they have played some games’ boardgames and then jumped into a wargame and then seeked out our club. Given how big the boardgame market is globally and how ”normal” hobby boardgaming is becoming (I see people mentioning boardgames in their CVs) that seems to me one of the strongest channels miniature games companies could recruit… Read more »
FYI – Pressgangers are no more. Privateer Press did away with them just before 3rd edition launched, if memory serves.
if memory serves this was part of that ruling about volunteers that hit Wizards of the Coast right?
Mmmmm, maybe but there are ways around that, as you said about doing police checks.
I know a couple of people that used to be Pressganagers… They got into to X-Wing when it was more popular and are now into GW product.
it was more about volunteers being considered as employees in the governments view if I recall
That rings a distant bell.
Is there a link to @lloyd ‘s shelving project – I can’t find it for the life of me?!
apparently it’s still private because @lloyd is a tease and doesn’t want to put it all out on the first date 😉
https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/1332479/ some day he may show his wares off for all the world to see
Ah well that’ll save me from using it to persuade Mrs Danegan that we need to remodel the spare room!
@Dark Danegan I will probably make it public in a few weeks time when i get time to right it up.
Great show. This is the stuff we come here for! On the main topic – it is actually two topics isn’t it. The threat to game diversity and the access to games of new recruits. They are linked to some extent but clearly separate in my mind. New recruits – GW has been and continues to excel as the prime route of entry for young people into the hobby. As they get bigger in the market again this allows them more scope to do this more effectively. This goes in waves, they have piggy-backed off Lord of the Rings or… Read more »
Great points.
Technology might also be a relevant school subject – they didn’t have it in my day – with engineering advances in WWII like the Mulberry harbour, radar, jet engines, and computing devices.
A new version is a can be a great jumping on point.
It can also be a great jumping off point, as Privateer Press and Battlefront have learnt recently.