Rise Of Skywalker: What WIll It Bring To Wargames? (Spoilers)
December 20, 2019 by crew
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I wanted to see the first star wars movie after Mark Hamill appeared on Blue Peter. I loved it all but Warren is right it was a kids film it was Space Opera where the Good guys win and have miraculous escapes and adventures,and the bad guys always lose. There really only a better made version of the old Republican serials in the 30’s and 40’s
consider the alternative….If Luke missed destroying the death star in a new hope…there is no other movie and the bad guys win. a franchise of 1 movie…i think not.
anyway….we critize since we love it so much.
finally…the end. I am happy the circle is complete.
https://youtu.be/l3lbWba7xjQ
I found Blue Peter exceedingly tedious when i was a child but i find it an interesting historical artifact now. The interaction with the ‘film stars’ comes across as somehow less deferential and more polite.
Spoilers? Ok, so this one is for next week then… can someone remind me then?
Will do ?who am I who are you what day is it no it’s not time for my magic beans Nooooooo.zzzzzzzzz.
When Vader told luke he was his father it was a real shock.No internet so no trailers on you tube an no spoilers flying about. You only learnt about it when Vader says it on screen while your at the cinema
Star Wars started as Christmas movies in New Zealand as that was when we got them, 6 months after the northern hemisphere. That was back it the day of physical film, which came in canisters on reels, which had to be changed part way through the movie.
I can’t remember whether I had that spoilt has part of read a Starlog or Starburst magazine.
What does it mean for wargaming? Red Stormtroopers that’s what!
Is anyone else have problems as the video is not playing.
It was fine for me earlier
Won’t play for me either, stuck on the Vimeo loading spinner.
I’m having problems too. It is on ‘auto’.
Same here
same not loading up
It looks like the video host is having a problem, hopefully this will be temporary and one of those internet problems that just resolves it’s self with some time.
Sorry your having a problem at the moment guys and gals.
PS the Wookiee WINS! 🙂
@lloyd someone on discord is saying its working on chrome but not safari
Hi again all,
I’ve added another version of the video to the page. If you are having a play back problem try the one in the description.
Second video is working for me, though it’s jumping a bit.
Click the cog and change your playback setting.
Main video player functions again.
The video is still working for me
working for me on O2 4G
I avoid spoilers so much that often i won’t watch a trailer, or will stop watching a trailer part way through, because i want to go into a film with no preconceptions. I’ve not watched youtube for weeks and weeks because i don’t to be hit with a give away video title for something that everyone else is watching now and i’ll be watching later. I haven’t seen Star Wars IX and i’m happy to watch this. That’s how much i care about Star Wars now. I’m at the level of reading the headlines about the trainwreck if someone holds… Read more »
I’m at 53:50 and i’m thinking ‘Star Destroyer Crawl’.
I’m at 57:00…. If you’re talking that sort of level of re-editing then i think you’re essentially talking about a remake, which, if er… unconcerned about its certification, i’m all up for. I’m available for narrative consultation, AKA, ‘when’s Luke going to appear?’.
yeah definately more of a re edit. as I dont believe any new shots would need to be made.
apparently the entire saga is going to release on 4k at some point.
if that is done properly the opportunity for a fan cut would be pretty incredible 🙂
so yeah more of a directors cut than a remake
I’d be potentially interested in a directors cut, but the character i find most interesting and that i think has been lost in the ‘saga’, as it were, is old Vader. I’d like to see a ‘Vader perspective’ remake.
Don’t forget the best bit princess leia is a Disney princess now.
Nice not seen the film luckily won’t see the film for a week or two so I’ll have forget most of this Lol
I thought the movie was great, but then I did make a conscious effort to leave my adult brain at the door when I went in. In some ways Star Wars can’t win. I’m not sure it’s possible to make a film that is satisfying to a critical moviegoer in the modern age yet still press all the buttons that orig trig did to them 35 years ago. And if you go in with the expectation that it can (which the vocal critics on the internet seemed to) then you’re setting it up to fail. The reaction was always going… Read more »
Interesting question what does the new film mean for wargaming, or rather for Star Wars wargaming. Honestly very little, certainly nothing good. The absolute train wreck that Disney have made of the new stories is one of the met reasons they’re slowing* down and in so doing the amount of new stuff that merchandisers can bring out that they can tie back to a film is going to drop. I think it remains to be seen whether merchandisers (including FFG) pick up on their Disney+ shows because I am not convinced of their reach. I don’t have any way to… Read more »
I took somthing different from the ‘trilogy’ statement 🙂 I understood it to mean we are not locking stories into trilogies this opening the more expansive canvas they utilised so well for the MCU where we get multiple intertwining movies that paint a huge picture. I have two wishes though… 1) So much as I love the past I believe it has to be in an undefined period or some time after the events of ep9. To give it a fresh play space to play within that is free of legacy stories etc 2) They need to appoint a new… Read more »
I hated the new trilogy from the outset However it hasn’t dimmed my love for star wars. Since 2015 I have spent quite a lot of money on Star Wars Imperial Assault. I can happily separate the film from the setting so I don’t think all is lost by any means, but they need to make some serious changes in the way they approach stories and story telling and if I am being brutally honest find some originality. Just tell me a story I haven’t heard before! I don’t really want to get into why the Star Wars films have… Read more »
Star Wars Fatigue is the biggest Lie in our Industry. People adore the Mandalorian because it is quality they don’t like the other stuff because it is not quality. Disney cannot admit to making monumental mistakes which is why they blame the fans. Who could be fatigued by watching a single movie a year?
I totally agree.
A single bad movie can cause so much dissappointment and fatigue that you need one heck of a movie to convince people to trust the franchise (again).
I really had my doubts after ‘last jedi’ (and ‘solo’), and this one sort of restored that a bit.
Although IMHO a trilogy of ‘Rogue One’-like quality would be needed to restore it to previous levels.
I really, really, enjoyed the film, this is perhaps my favourite of the last trilogy. Both Kylo Ren and Rey were at their best as characters, and I also think the actors did a splendid job. And some of the best visual eye candy we’ve seen in star wars movies: the crashed Deathstar, the Sith temple and the scene where Lando and Chewie arrive with the massive fleet in the end. Most importantly, it was a worthy ending to the Skywalker saga. Thanks Warren, Gerry and Ryan for the video. It was really good to hear proper Star Wars fans… Read more »
There is a good section of the battle front campaign section of the video game set on the deck of a star destroyer. You crash land on the surface and battle your way over it to an entrance
For me, the sequel trilogy was trying to be too over the top. Hey here’s a huge star destroyer fleet all with planet killer weapons. Rey suddenly has some much super power it makes the story pointless. The RoS was ok in terms of ending the trilogy, but the trilogy didn’t make sense or fit into the rest of the saga in the first place. The movie wasn’t that inventive, the story would be ok, if we hadn’t seen it before. Falcon flying in a blowing up Starkiller base, the emperor saying `strike me down’, Finn turning the gun around… Read more »
It’s really hard watching Gerry trying to justify this garbage of a trilogy and ‘slightly better than TLJ’ Episode 9 with “well it’s a SpaCe oPeRa”. Cheap cop out argument, in fact the cheapest I’ve ever seen.
Hes not wrong though 😉
Disney nor Gerr have to justify anything to us Man Children 🙂
Gerry doesn’t, Disney have to. I will happily give you that the limits and limitations are vague and malleable, especially since Disney killed the EU. There’s a point though at which “Star Wars” becomes “Random Space Movie”. There are some boundaries set by the older movies.
That’s not true at all. So the movie would have been just as good if it was three hours of this? It’s got cool graphics it’s got a far better story than the latest movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XWomD6TazQ The Movies have to be consistent because they aren’t sold as pump and dump one off movies they’re sold as a series and the entire point of a series is that you can create a world, build the rules and go nuts within them. Imagine trying to do the Original Trilogy in a 3 hour movie, how much world building would you lose simply… Read more »
There is a word used in writing – verisimilitude – which I think @warzan was searching for for the first part of this vid.
From Wikipedia ‘is the “lifelikeness” or believability of a work of fiction. The word comes from Latin: verum meaning truth and similis meaning similar.’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude_(fiction)
I agree completely – the only thing harder to watch than this trilogy is the legendary Gerry defending it! LOL
People may find this interesting
https://youtu.be/oBqZHsEieyM
I just watched this. I agree with one thing he said – that you have to ignore the plot to enjoy this (so does this turn this film into a video game?).
Also the reviewer said that the more he saw the Last Jedi , the more he liked it. I have to admit I saw it only twice and I can’t get myself to see it again.
If you have to ignore the plot it’s a bad film. I don’t think it’s even a video game, they also have quite good plot or at least good ones do.
I don’t play video games, so thank you for clarifying that. To tell you the truth, it kind of makes me sad that even video games have a good plot and the end of a beloved saga struggles to deliver one.
Well, much like films some video games have good plot some have bad plot. I view video games as an interactive story, I don’t play games that are purely action based because I am crap at video games
Of the three new films, I believe this was the worse. Not only does it completely undermine the first six, but cinematically it is terrible. I am not referring to the effects or cinematography, but its beating heart – the story! The film is obsessed with retconning the Last Jedi – which is a another canon-destroying Star Wars movie. Also, the exposition is like downloading from piratebay. I could go on for ten pages with the problems with this film, and a week with the trilogy as a whole. But one thing I hate the most is the direction Disney… Read more »
The undermining began in TFA. I don’t even view the new films as the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. At best it’s an addendum. It feels contrived, like the story has been artificially extended. Return of the Jedi was the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. The Orig Trig told the story of Luke Skywalker, combine them with the prequels and they tell the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. Whichever way you view it, the story concludes at the end of Return of the Jedi: – Anakin Skywalker is redeemed by sacrificing himself to kill the Emperor… Read more »
I think a sequel to the original trilogy could have been made … It just wasn’t the one we got. The one theme that was begging to be explored would be the rebuilding of civilization after the end of the death of the emperor. Although … that’s probably exactly what the expanded universe already did. However … such a story arc would only work if the target audience is (cynical) adults. Same more or less applies to the prequels. The core outline (Annakin becoming Darth Vader) is a great idea. It just isn’t fit for an audience that consists of… Read more »
If you have to hand wave huge logical elements of a story, it’s no longer immersive, enjoyable or entertaining. The brain has a way of picking out these things sub-consciously. I can finally say that I outgrew Star Wars 15 years ago. Had a friend in High School who still was a ‘fan’atic and I could enjoy his fandom vicariously.
There’s room in Star Wars to tell a mature story about ambition, power, darkness and internal conflict.
But, hey… let’s just make tripe I guess because it sells toys. If children can still enjoy the films I guess it has succeeded?
I don’t think it’s selling toys quite as well as Disney would like.
I am shocked that Warzan didn’t mention that he called the cavalry charge on a space ship scene months ago before the Wookie Cookie Wars debacle. It’s all I could think about when that happened.
I only just saw the movie earlier today with my daughter, I’m just going to say that I really enjoyed this last movie of the most recent three. Much more so than episodes 7 and 8. I like that loose ends were tied up, that some stuff was explained and that the Skywalker family story had a conclusion. Also… Palpatine had a family?!? For Gaming, what I see most evident is a Sith splinter faction for SWL (and potentially the other games). Sith as a faction that can be played either as part of the First Order, or as a… Read more »
The movie was hot garbage plain and simple. Just the Set in Stone, unchangeable rules of the universe itself being broken every two fucking seconds alone took me way out of the movie. The whole point of the Death Star was that it could destroy planets and now they have an entire fleet of Death Stars out of literally nowhere? How did they build them? How did they recruit that army? How did they train that army? How did they get those materials? The whole “All of us Sith will merge into you and become One” is literally the direct… Read more »
I agree with every single word you wrote, but it is useless at this point. If you start nitpicking this film, you’ll go mad. What I want to expand on is your point of a ‘set in stone’ system. Every world has rules. It doesn’t matter whether there is magic in them or not. The point is once you set up a world with its rules you have to limit your story within those parameters in order for the story to be credible. If you are writing a noir detective story set in a world like ours, then you cannot… Read more »
I agree with everything you say. The worldbuilding in this trilogy is less than zero. Nothing was explained, and things that had been fact, were just ignored and changed to make the new story work.
Very succinctly put innes! I agree.
@warzan if you want realist Space Warfare hit up @oriskany about ‘Darkstar’ which is hands down the best depiction of realistic Space Warfare.
If you think the Sith in this were evil go back and look at “Knight of the Old Republic” where Sith consumed entire planets just to feed, where Sith slaughtered one another at the drop of a hat. Definitely check out Emperor Vitiate who literally killed an entire planet down to the Force itself in a scam ritual to give himself eternal life.
Appreciate the kind words, @elessar2590 . We gotta get you back on the Darkstar table, the British need help in the Third Hercules War! 😀