Pointless Views: Gaps In History
January 17, 2020 by crew
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Mornin’.
Can please someone give me a definition of what a “slow grow league” is?
a league (needs atleast 3 folk according to lloyd) that erm… grows slowly 🙂
do they can watch anything on internet or they have to imagine it to grow slowly?
A group of players decide to play a game. Let’s take SW as an example.
The standard game is 800 points.
So by the end of a set time they want to have their forces fully painted.
Month 1 maybe they aim to paint 250 points.
Month 2 another 250 pts and play a skirmish
Month 3 300 points painted and now they can play their first full game.
That’s the idea a slow build up to playing a new army
ah, thank you Great Wookie Of Knowledge 🙂
serious hat on
it’s a little contest a group of folk run to get into a new game or aspect of a game
there are a set of challenges both hobby and games that allows the players to slowly build up armies and learn the game and hobby together.
the milestones (50pt list 100pt list for example) unlock achievements etc
basically a structured journey into a game that a group can take together.
sometimes officially support and sometimes just made up by a group 🙂
people within the league have agreed to build their game up slowly, it may be a points value of figures every month, three months, year etc (getting very slow) or maybe based on milestones play first game buy £25.00 worth of models, Win first Game +£25.00, Painted all my Miniatures +£50.00. so you build your collection slowly and everyone is building at the same rate more or less
You’re all calling it the wrong name…. “mutunus tunenus” Humbug! Call it:
COG FIGHT
And get some betting systems on it.
Also: Mounted Cocks are a great countermeasure for Warhammer Daemonettes.
just gotta be careful of the mounted cocks breath weapon effects……..
Creativity is an interesting beast.
A blank piece of paper can be a intimidating thing.
Writing an essay is considered by some easier when given a topic and some constraints.
But too many constraints can be a hinderance to acts of creation….
A happy median is probably the best bet.
Interesting discussion. From my part of view I do a lot of American revolution games and if I worried that the facings on the redcoats aren’t right for a particular battle I’d never get a game done. I was amazed when I discovered the diversity in American uniforms during the war and I don’t worry now about being a hundred percent accurate because most of the time it’s impossible to know if we are
You definitely need to have those archers in the Mutinus Tutinus army list because they spend all of their battles on their backs. 😛 😛 😛
The whole “fighting in the shade” thing takes on a whole new meaning with MT because the “arrows” blocking out the sun creates quite a sticky situation.
lol
I think the idea of us being able to run our own Slow Grow Leagues without having to torture the crew to set it up or run it is an excellent idea. Big thumbs up to an alternate way to view the projects as well… All the latest updates in a stream would be a hit with me.
The skyclad army needs some warmachines, a SpunkWagon and JizzCannons… I’ve other ideas but public decency is going to keep them locked away in my mind…
he he he The MT army is like being 12 years old again lol
Minus the spots and permanent hard on!
Sorry, Warren. This dick joke has gone too long. Justin, Stay strong!
Do you think if it was shorter it would be easier on him? 😉
*train slams into tunnel!*
‘NICE’ is trade marked!!!! feckers!!!!
will get my tinfoli hat out
They were saying it in lower case so their fine
For the crusades it should be noted is that the Islamic forces also fought each other and was one of the reasons Sal-adin came to power in Egypt.
There were also crusades in Spain and in the Baltic regions
One Crusade never actually made in to Constantinople and ended forming the country that is now Rumania
One Crusade that set out from the area that is now Germany got as far as the local town, murdered all the Jews there and went home
Best of all the Mongols were involved as well
ok, now inspired to get my finger out and get back into my FoW Germans
Ah lads that was a good one.
Crusades started and end – 1095 – 1492
Well there you go 200 years.
lol
Rounding down?
I meant to mention earlier but there is a ton of information available on the Crusades from the Islamic point of view
If you want to look at a similar period
to the crusades have a look at the Hundred Years War in Gascony and a later period of the Thirty Years war. Both follow a similar theme of many many skirmishes and battles long forgotten to history, with changes of allegiance every 5 minutes and three of the power houses in the case of the Thirty Years War of Spain,France and the Netherlands with the mighty Ottoman empire on the sidelines also interfering politcally
For the Skyclad army, it could make for an interesting Hobby lab for John to do?
For the General, surely you’d want a chariot pulled by a team of mutinus tutinous
I would give the mutunus tunenus a go but it would have to wait till I finish painting my house ?
I’m up for the rootin’ tootin’ mutun’ tutun’ challenge!
Your need for a pasty white primer has highlighted a gap in the market. Does anyone do Irish Flesh paint?
I think it’s called Skellybob bone
I would offer to help on Mutunus Tunenus I almost bought the model. They do need cock riders on them though, I was going to sculp reigns and some kind of saddle on them. Get some string dip it into PVA and give them a nice under mane. Grim dark paintjob and these would look fantastic!
Oh and as for the project system. I have started to use Instagram for posting some pictures but I couldn’t just have my site set to projects. I would like to try and drive anyone back to OTT but my projects page you need to be logged into view this. I would like to be able to link this to outside sources.
let me look into this mate
Slow grow leagues would be great.
And has Lloyd’s wife called in her “trim your beard” voucher?
@warzan my friend I thought you were a Napoleonic expert. The Russian Life Guards stripped naked and charged across a freezing cold River during the invasion of Russia. There’s even artwork https://www.pinterest.cl/pin/517210338447203560/
The official reason for the sack of Constantinople was the massacre of the Latins (50,000 dead the rest sold as slaves in the 1080s). Remember the Byzantines were schismatics not Catholics.
The Rothschilds being Jewish also probably had a bit to do with them not Crusading.
I am happy to take in all @dignity cocks gyus and play with it, stroke it with my brush and @warzan I will make you watch dude 😀
here’s your logo @warzan
in terms of gaps of history there is also an interesting theory (taken with a pinch of salt i’m sure) about Roman soldiers ending up in ancient china which basically extends the influence and areas for gaming the world over whilst still having some historical basis.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ancient-history/romans-china-lost-legions-carrhae.html
is what I could find on it on the web, I think i actually first heard about it from a novel I read when I was younger, i’ll see if I can dig out the name
also vikings versus native americans…..saga eat your heart out!
and for one off the wall….what did happen to the mayans? (insert sci fi invasion abduction theories)
love the content as always guys! reminds me I need to get back on my projects
nice one guys.
go for of Justin.
I don’t think you need to try and find “gaps” in history to find the army or inspiration to do what you want. The fact the our history is so wide and diverse once you start looking into it, you can find just about ANYTHING. For example Warzans wish for colourful units with lot of technological marvels and warmachines? Why just look at Han Chinese (they’ve got your repeating crossbows, foot drawn crossbows and bows (I think you mentioned that Warren), horse archers, chariots, catapults etc). Or how about an ancient Burmese Army, complete with elephants with howdahs full of yet more crossbowmen (as you are attempting to do but LARGE scale with the GW model). Both of these are “dark age” armies, just usually ignored here in the west for the usual Vikings and Saxon fare.
So you don’t have to try and look for “gaps” to build the force you would like to see, you just need to cast your net wider and usually, somewhere, it’s a case of “been there, done that” and there WAS an historical army that fits (although magic carpets is not covered alas)
I gather we don’t have Community dial ins for Pointless views any more which is a shame as I would have given you the following ‘historical gaps’;
Irish pre-viking history is largely guess work. We know they had trade contact with Rome, we think they still had chariots, other than that the 4 Cycles are as good a gap as you are going to get. Particularly as there are people that shoot lasers from their eyes, invasion fleets that arrive in ships that decend from the clouds and people who end up with replacement limbs made out of metal.
Polybius – this guy is great for ‘here be monsters’ story. He’s not referred to as either the “Father of history” or alternatively the “Father of lies” for nothing. The story of the phoenix existing is a personal favourite.
Some time after C6th BC Carthaginian explorers like Hanno went down the mediteranean coast of Africa, saw elephants (so before the Sahara had dried out) and supposedly fought off hairy ape-men that attacked them. Propably Baboons or whatever but we’ll never know. Carthaginians also went north to a ‘frozen’ land they called Thule. Probably the UK but possibly Scandinavia.
Whilst in Africa there is the kingdom of Nok that exists from around 1500BC to 500BC. They smelted metal and had contemporary engineering/building skill levels. For some reason the civilization vanishes and we only have theories as to why.
The Chinese also sent out exporation/conquest/treasure fleets which we known made it to Australia and suspect made it to South America. It may be the basis of Dragon motifs and pictures on men with beards in South American art despite there being no reptiles resembling dragons and native South Americans having no beards.
The Chinese also have theories about Romans and Greeks coming to visit and setting up cities. There’s a ‘Roman’ style ruins somewhere there and there was a Chinese Roman re-enactors goup dedicated to this which I’ll assume still exists.
The Celts also got around. Galatia in Turkey is named after the Gauls that settled there. Celtic mercenaries fought in ancient Egypt during their many wars. Ptolemy II-IV recruited them in great numbers in their wars against Syria.
Julius Caesar wrote some ‘Polybius’-like stuff about Celts and Germans. Some of that stuff would be interesting, like kneeless animals. They’d look like people trying to run on stilts.
There’s always the Vikings going to America. They more than likely made it to North America but may have made it to Central America. Imagine if they had left the secrets of ship building, horses, bows, shield walls and iron smelting to the Incas and North American Indians? Cortez may not of had it so easy or Incan fleets may have shown up in Spain.
The Irish became quite famous mercenaries in Europe in the 15th Century. There’s some famous pictures by Durer of them. They went all over Europe. A great historical what-if would be if Hugh O’Neill had been able to complete his ‘modern’ army with the help of Spain and/or France. The Battle of Yellow Ford could have been the first of many victories if that was the case. It was always the British fear after the Flight of the Earls’ that the Wild Geese would return with the numbers and experience to gain independence.
In WWII (like you didn’t have enough “what ifs”) you have the Nazi foriegn legions (up to 500,000). More than half the SS divisions contained foriegners (non-Germans). What if the George Washington Legion or British Free Corp had got off the ground (they existed) or the Germans had handled conquered soviet territories better (they recruited over 100,000 even with their terrible treatment).
What would have happened if the Germans had given the design of the various Pathers or Tigers to the Japanese and they’d used them in China? Or jets?
If you want gaps, history is full of them.
One more in support of Justin!
No means no, especially in regard of cocks!
My pointless view on historical tabletop armies and them looking like a cohesive force.
Did historical armies have uniforms? Yes-ish. However their uniforms are not always sharing the same colour, but rather cultural similarities between the different people in the army, so an unintentional uniform. In films making a force one colour often done to make the distinction between the good and the bad guys obvious, in real life there is no thing such as good or bad guys. When you have Crusaders versus Muslims you wouldn’t tell them apart by the colours they wore, but by the equipment or cultural differences in appearances they have. Certain armours, weapons and such is an easy realistic distinguisher between the two forces. On the tabletop you want your army to look cohesive, like they belong together. Games Workshop does that quite well with their bright blue Ultramarines for example. And for sci-fi or fantasy that’s good. But for historical representations, this doesn’t work. So that’s where you have to look at the other cultural differences and similarities to make a cohesive force.
Can I take a moment of your time to tell you about our lord and saviour, the Mutunus Tutunus?
Warren, you’re getting waaaay too into the Mutinous Tutinany stuff!
I have an idea for your commander of the Mutinous Tutinous army and I would be happy to create it for you.
Obviously it would be mounted on a cockosaurus. Using this figure from Hasslefree (their various skyclad figures would be great for heroes.
https://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=resin-master-%252d-eamond-skyclad~hfmaster-h140&category=fantasy-%26steampunk~fantasy-humans
I would then swap heads for one of the other Hasslefree bald heads.
https://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=resin-master-%252d-hurin-dolly~hfmaster-l620&category=fantasy-%26steampunk~fantasy-humans
I would then arm him with a giant pair of clippers, thevarms are already in right sort of position would just need to swop hands so Justinious is weilding the clippers above his head.
Ok, I have put far to much thought into this for a Sunday morning so am signing off.
Good show, lads. Interesting idea for a variation of gaming in the gaps. I may try this at some point.
@dignity, keep up (sorry mate) the resolve to NOT devolve in to @warzan‘s madness. @warzan seems to have more ….ehmm , “enthusiasm” for the Mutinus Tootinus army.
I’ll even back you (A; to continue to out of the Mutinus Tootinus cock-wank, & B; to massacre them & @warzan in a battle!), with additional bikkies or MDF stuff in the next Anzac bikkie migration (your pick)to keep away from from @warzan‘s cock-up of an idea.
Sorry @warzan , but I have to follow the Warlord of H03T @dignity on this
Painting and hobby services happily offered to Muttinus Tuttinus project.
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