Point of View: Your Comments On Games Workshop & Justin’s Blanket
January 28, 2019 by crew
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I like it. One thing I would say with companies being competitive is to look at the Iron Maiden model. Bruce Dickinson said that they purposefully looked for a niche in their industry, singing songs about history and literature rather than “love songs”, a sound that was unique (well sort of) and a look with Eddie and the style of their heavy metal. We see companies like Mantic recently diverging (if only a little) with the rebuild of their world etc, and I believe this is because they can see “what the fans want”. I think businesses that offer a… Read more »
Er… I’m at 16:31 in this OTTBOWPOV and i think you misunderstood @coxjul‘s point about us each having 3.2 billion* ancestors 32 generations back, which would be at around about 1066AD for @coxjul. I think the point @coxjul was making is that that 3.2 billion number must be wrong because ( obviously ) there were not 3.2 billion people on the planet in 1066AD. The population of the planet was probably around a 1/2 billion in 1066AD. ( That 3.2 billion number rests on the assumption that each ancestor you have is your ancestor through only one line of their… Read more »
Something that makes it even less likely will have all 3.2b anscestors be unique is that until relatively recently most people would only marry someone from the same town or at most one town over, so very quickly theyd be marrying distant cousins which would truncate the number of ancestors their kids would have. Another fun fact is that technically everyone alive today are cousins because we all share common ancestors in the mitochondrial Adam and Eve (disclaimer – this isn’t claiming that these are the Biblical Adam and Eve; Adam and Eve are just the nicknames scientists gave the… Read more »
Quite.
That is meant to be written:
Another fun fact in the same vein. We have twice as many female ancestors as we have male ancestors.
Thanks for the backup and I make it (2^32) closer to 4.3 billion 😉
Touché.
Have a German girlfriend and know a lot of German gamers. The big problem is swastika’s and other Nazi symbolism are forbidden under German law but they’re allowed under artistic licence – so in historical films and such. At the minute games – including video games and board games are not considered “art” – but there’s a current law going through the process which will make them art – and then those historical symbols can be used.
The law has already passed and is applied to video games. The first game to have been officially allowed to show a swastika was shown at gamescom 2018. However it’s still a case by case decision and with “historically accurate” wargaming there is still the “bad taste” of our (German) past. I’m 43 now and ever since elementary school we are always told to not forget and not let it happen again. Having “fun” playing as Nazi Forces with games like FoW still leaves a bad taste in some peoples mouths. Especially when young people play it. It’s a very… Read more »
Thanks for the update sundancer. I knew the law was going through for video games but wasn’t sure how it affected other games. I know how difficult the whole subject is and understand how it can leave a bad taste in peoples mouths. My girlfriend still gets so annoyed that I’m interested in WW2 history – especially as I am collecting Germans in Bolt Action. She’s like – yes we are subjected to how horrible it all was in school, it’s not Germany as it is today (shes only 27). And I totally understand that. With any conflict that is… Read more »
You forgot the third way to identify a leader – no helmet. 😉
Feedback on the new segment – good work, although I’d suggest maybe pushing it back to Tuesday or Wednesday if possible so that you can feedback on those comments that come in a day or two after the weekend vids are posted.
Another idea you could try out with Points of View is maybe making it a livestream video so we can heckle you as you’re giving your feedback. ?
+1 vote on pushing POV a day or so back.
if @warzan had said “balance to the force” I would have demanded a Star Wars Legion battle between him and @avernos 😉 Good show guys
Nice Format. Lets see how this will revolve.
Cool new show.
Now I have to watch the weekenders …
Gerry this show: https://youtu.be/7jDo-XaRxl4
that’s the show I was talking about. I love it to bits, along with A Game of War introduced by Angela Rippon. Both are excellent at showing off wargaming, but both reinforce the stereotypes that it’s old men being stodgy and dull viewing.
Thanks for the response guys, yes, I am a Yank (please don’t hold that against me, I don’t know what the deal is with Trump either). I did get the sarcasm and I was kind of snarking back, but as we all know that doesn’t always translate well over written word. As someone who was bullied when he was younger, I’m sometimes a bit too sensitive to it and will call it out even if no offense was meant. It doesn’t bother me when Justin is the “straight man” to just Warren, but when he get’s picked on by the… Read more »
@oriskany
Lol! ???
Who was the poor sod having to hold the camera for an hour? He(She?) deserves a pay rise!
I was starting to feel a bit drunk when there was a bit of swaying but the cameraperson.
poor @ludicryan he was told it was going to be a pick video, and then we started filming ^^
We camera legionnaires are made of sterner stuff *collapses*
He’s been editing by knocking his head on the keyboard all morning.
he could lift his head? “he’s not dead yet. he’s feeling better. he’s going for a walk” XD
He’s not fooling anyone
Thanks for the response @warzan and it makes sense as a draw. I suppose what I coming from was what drew me to BoW was the non gw stuff – as I had long “given up” with them and their prices and my greater love of smaller scales and historics (and one day i’ll actually finish painting something!). Given their resurge and people rediscoving their love for gw it is understandable that content would follow this, but if your question is what can OTT do, then maybe put a spotlight on some of the other big names that have a… Read more »
I’m working on my gangs at the moment and myself and @Lloyd have been discussing how we’d do Saga as well. In case we don’t get it done soon I will say, yes of GoR, it’s an excellent skirmish game, with many unique features.
Cheers Gerry. On the how, my steer would be to perhaps pick a book to focus on, and run down the “faction” chat approach as that worked well with KoW, Guild Ball etc. I don’t know how precious Gripping Beast/Tommhawk (spelling check), are about other manufacturers are but that method would allow you to go today Normans, chaps who love horsing around, Gb have a starter set, but also check out Conquest, Fireforge…(i hope this is correct!) so if you dont like GB here are some alternatives. And lets plays, some learner games slowed down and then a couple where… Read more »
it’s not so much faction breakdowns and minis that’s all easy to do. It’s more showing the game itself and more importantly the battle boards since they have so much information and impact on the game.
love it.
Wow! That’s like having an extra extra weekender ? So. Cool. Mondays will have a purpose again. Thanks guys, you’ve made my day! Although I struggled to keep up with the discussion..I’m too old for this now having just survived yet another birthday. I just want to buy even more toy soldiers..in fact as many as I can before 29 March in case the UK economy goes totally kaput. In my constant pursuit of happiness I’m also hoping to see AJ back now as I have forgotten what he was talking about last time and need a refresher. Would fit… Read more »
I have often wondered about how you guys would react to some of the well thought out , and some not so well comments to subjects appearing on both the Weekender and XLBS . This show covers those bases , well done . Personally not a huge GW fan , in fact I tend to nod off when you guys are showing their latest models , but if discussing the hobby as a industry , they have to mentioned first and foremost because they are biggest player in the game . Love them or hate them , they do put… Read more »
For me and GW tthe biggest problem is their pricing games here in Australia, now dont get me wrong I understand that you as a group try not to dicuss pricing as its relative but I ask you let me explain. On a regular basis now boxes that would be the equilivent of $150 locally are being sold for around 240 250 230 etc. And this is without exageration we’re being charged $100 MORE here than almost every other country I know of (theres also the recent Forgeworld thing but I dont know enough about it to comment) Granted we’re… Read more »
the physical stock pricing is wank, but the thing that gets me about that whole shit show for you is the pricing of digital products with the same mark up. I was unaware that bytes cost more to ship to you as well.
It “does” cost more to send data to Australia, mainly due to a finite number of fibre interconnects that run across the pacific and atlantic, but those market costs are so far removed from the enduser as to be insignificant. Nope you can thank amazon and apple (well the greed of the 90’s music industry mainly, but apple needed to fill the itunes store and monetise the napster market) for the price parity on digital compared to physical. The main argument going that physical music and books is 60% license fee (you never own just license) 30% marketing and the… Read more »
I spent a large amount of time watching and waiting for that mug to fall over and smash. Strangely hypnotic.
Is it points of view or line of sight??
And where is the handwritten letters of outrage at smut from old biddies? This is not the points of view i know 😛
When we’re talking about Brexit, the uncertainty is if we have a deal going forward. During the transition period things should continue as normal, after that will depend on the deal that’s been struck. What we do know regarding No Deal, is based on WTO information and the legalities of international trade and agreements. A lot of people will shout project fear regarding the NO Deal scenario, and there has been some codswallop from MP’s and media on both sides of the argument. What we do know is that if we crash out on a No Deal, all trade deals… Read more »
One other point to raise about the potential effects of “the demise of GW” would be the knock-on demise of a reasonably large number of independent retailers. I’m pretty sure that a lot of them would not be able to soak up the loss of their GW sales to survive. There are certainly those out there that a sufficiently diversified to survive, but there are plenty who aren’t (my guess would be in the 30-60% range). There’s a continuing knock-on affect to other manufacturers who might be skating along on the fine edge of profitability. The loss of even 30%… Read more »
Excellent point @davetaylor
I love this idea. My only gripe with it is that I don’t always have time in the weekends to watch and respond to the weekenders, but will certainly try more now that this is a thing.
Dusty CoC? Right up Gerry’s alley.
Right up there.
You know it. Fnaar fnaar
I liked the idea of this follow up VLOG. I rarely get involved in comments on the weekender / XLBS sadly as i tend to watch when painting/building and as such think of something, stop, tidy up, go to the keyboard and then realise ive forgotten what i was going to say 🙁
Commenting on the comments video! How meta is that! I do think there was a perfect storm when Warmahordes, Star Wars, FoW and Malufaux all have had issues around rereleases. The problem is as I see it that when GW is firing on all cylinders as it is now but wasn’t a decade ago, the relatively small other companies struggle to match the expectations they are setting in terms of rate of release, model quality, presentation, FAQ releases and simple availability. Not sure how to square that circle. Personally I am pretty much over GW after 35 tears in the… Read more »
Only just caught up with this. I’m glad you are covering community comments again. I think it helps foster debate and such an exchange of perspectives in a mutually supportive community like this one leads to a better understanding for us all. Thanks for picking up on the points I made. I agree with you that it is difficult to see what is possible for companies and that the buying patterns and loyalty of gamers is very hard to track. I have a background in both business analysis and psychology so what makes people choose certain systems or switch their… Read more »
Interesting. But if a product refresh is what caused your company to lose players wouldn’t it further alienate and reduce your base even further to suddenly change again. Take a company that lost players because of a new edition of the only game they produce as an example. How can they hope to refresh that without a loss in revenue and what becomes people’s perceptions of that company? If they release a set of rules players are unhappy with complain and leave and the company will change back an edition? That’s why I think for some companies they have to… Read more »
Thanks for the reply Gerry. There is a difference between the business and the game and a player and a customer. As players we invest time and money into getting into a game. We then want to get on with the enjoyable bit of playing it. At some point we start settling for what we have and invest time but not money. This is a problem for our game company because they are a business. As a business a player is of little value unless they buy stuff regularly, i.e. are also regular customers. It is expensive to develop a… Read more »