Confrontation Classic Kickstarter Launches & Already Funded!
April 18, 2018 by brennon
Sans Detour is on Kickstarter right now with Confrontation Classic, relaunching the range of miniatures that many gamers have drooled over for decades.
As well as the Core Box of models which contains all sixteen factions and 178 unique miniatures, they are also putting together all of the things you need to PLAY the game too with their Battle Sets.
The Battle Set comes with terrain elements, battle mats, and enough for two to four players to get stuck into the game. Rules to play the game can be downloaded from the Confrontation website HERE and are available in a vast array of different languages.
One of the other big things about this particular campaign is that all of the stretch goals that get unlocked throughout the fundraising period will get added right into that core box meaning that you'll have even more models to paint!
The team are looking at around eighteen months to deliver the entire range to you as Kickstarter backers. The timescale has all been laid out on the Kickstarter page and it looks like even with Classic in their sights they have aims to make sure that the updated game rules coming later this year also factor into the mix.
This campaign is a big investment, however, considering it is looking to deliver the entire range of Confrontation miniatures, it's something to consider carefully. If I were you I'd wait and see how this campaign comes together over the next few weeks.
It still has a month to go and the campaign is easily going to be funded. However, by taking your time and waiting for this one you'll see how the Sans Detour team deal with the expanding roster and community questions too.
Will you be backing?
"...they are also putting together all of the things you need to PLAY the game too with their Battle Sets"
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One to watch certainly.
Reading Kickstarter comments seems like there is a lot of concern about the quality of the miniatures, i.e. how they will translate into plastic.
If you understand the history of Confrontation and that fact that many of the people commenting already have 50 to 100+ of the original metal miniatures, it was the quality of the miniatures that is very important to them. I will argue that at its peak, the miniatures were more important than the game. People are looking for miniatures that are higher quality than say Kingdom Death Monster or GW or at least have the detail to make them easy to paint. The bar was set VERY high and people are expecting the same or better today. I backed for… Read more »
The Confrontation range of miniatures was EXTREMELY important. They were some of the best minis at the time, with some of the best paintjobs from a gaming studio. Hell, even their rulebook set a new standard in production quality. However, when I look at them now, I don’t see the best minis out there anymore. They set a new standard, and that standard has now been met by quite a few companies (people stepped up their game). Which makes Confrontation a more historically important miniatures line. To be honest, PVC has gotten WAY better over the years (CMON has pulled… Read more »
By the way- I’m not saying that people have no reason to be concerned about the translation to PVC. But I am saying that it is entirely possible that the minis will look great in plastic.
The issue is that the Confrontation Miniatures where done in metal. The translation to PVC/ABS would not provide the same level of detail. To get that detail you would have to use HIPS and which will cost a lot of money. Even if they 3D scan the miniatures, ALL of those scans would need to be cleaned up due to the limitations of 3D scanning. Then a lot of the features would need to be made deeper than they already are to handle when the plastic shrinks. All of if that is possible, but perhaps not for studio which has… Read more »
£260 for all those minis is great.
But it’s still £260.
And you won’t see anything till Xmas next year.
If anything was to point out why some people don’t really like Kickstarter…
Anyone speculation that this kickstarter will deliver on time is just fantasy.
Your complaint is true of all kickstarters. I don’t think it is a problem for this one, as the platform clearly has a strong audience.
I can’t throw money down if all we have is promises, nostalgia and recycled images… :/
This has all the KS alarms right ringing
The pledges so far are very limited and very expensive. Hard to say what were they drinking while making this decision.
The pledges appeal to Kickstarter sensibilities quite well.
Tabletop Minis games do worse than board games largely because a board game is “one and done.” If you’re playing a game that needs constant support and updates, you have to have more faith that the company won’t fail.
The pledges here represent a complete “one and done” pledge. It is very expensive, but it isn’t so over the top for a game that already has a strong established fan base (they funded just fine).
But why buy 178 miniatures, for me that makes no sense at all. What I meant is that there is nothing for people interested in one faction only, without buying the whole range.
I agree – why buy a box set to add to your unpainted stack? It also to me shows that this is a one-off that will have no longevity – games live a long time with regular releases, new factions, etc.
Would have been better to release a starter set via Kickstarter then every few months more minis for the core factions and throw in the odd new faction too.
Wow that’s a box of figures for you.
Personally I’m not interested as it is old rules for old sculpts being remade in a new material by a new company for a very hefty price tag. If they can pull it all off then it does appear to be a good deal, but it is a high entry point. I’m not sure why anyone wants to pick up 16 different factions for the same game all at once unless they just want a big box of painting projects. The 2000 backers in 12hrs goal struck me as kinda arrogant. Pulling those numbers in 24hrs would have been impressive… Read more »
Agree. I would buy some figures l, but don’t see a point of getting the all.
My problem is that there is already questions about successful execution of this undertaking and the large commitment required just deepens the level of risk.
If this was Comon or someone with a long Kickstarter record different story, but it isn’t. Huge question mark on ability to deliver in my opinion.
When I back kickstarters I mainly just go in for the starter set to get a feel for the game and miniatures. $500AUS is just a step too far for this kickstarter. If they were resin minis I’d understand but at the moment it sounds like PVC plastic.
IMHO, they are following the CMON model. You pay a high price but it comes out to roughly $1 to $1.50 USD per figure. While the approach they took is strange, that is where we are heading. While CMON has a low buy in price to start and then slowly ramps up add-on almost in a formulaic way, they guys went all in at the start. Not sure what plastic they will be using.
They have not shown a single production model. Only resin masters. Very risky.
Nobody spoke about risk for the first edition of Kingdom Death Monster, Mythic Battles, the first Zombiecide and others.
They are well known in France for their RPGs and translations. They have created and delivered 15 projects on the French KS site.
Ulule Sans-Détour Project : https://fr.ulule.com/editionssansdetour/#projects/created/
Personally I see a big difference between printing books and delivering miniatures.
Currently they have very little to show in terms of product. All I see is stock images from the past.
These are of course just risks but combined with the high outlay required they are a bit too much.
I wasn’t around KS for the first KD:M or Zombicide campaign, but with Mythic Battles they started the campaign with plastic samples for a good chunk of the core box, and resin samples of other figures.
Communication with backers was also much better – although it may not be entirely fair comparing *any* company on KS to Mythic. They’ve set a pretty high bar.
With this campaign… ehhhhhhh not so much.
KDM had a lot more to show from the outset
https://wgp-cdn.co.uk/TTG/png/91dca8dd62fe82095bf05519cfecfb2b_original-81479/600/600/
That image was the proof of design of components and minis (which were to be resin at the time).
Now compare that image to what SD have for Confrontation – just old images. Nothing new whatsoever, and no evidence of when the casting process will be or quality. Even the Scale 75 Fallen Frontiers project had more going for it.
I am a big fan of Confrontation but I will remain on the fence with this one.
I was interested in jumping in on this. And I am, for $1. But the all-or-nothing buy-in seems ridiculous. The almost total lack of communication with backers, especially with questions regarding production of the final miniatures, has this whole kickstarter feeling like something that’s going to end up going completely off the rails post-campaign.
I hope I’m proven wrong on that, but right now things seem kind of a shambles.
Glad it is doing well but the format is just odd, where is the rules plus 1/2 faction boxes as a starter?
I really dont like the the way this kickstater is being handled.
The pledge levels are just stupid.
Then there isnt a single mini made by Sans Detours shown. How I am to trust them with such a forced expensive pledge level if they show nothing in advance.
I feel this ship might sink and cause lots of tears among backers. I am totally sure it will be late as hell.
I was hoping for something different. The everything or nothing approach is hard to accept when there are, what, 16 factions? No rules presented, no game play, just buy a random selection of all the minis they want to make, only they aren’t going to show you what a prototype production cast looks like, or what the plastic content is or who they have agreed to use as the manufacturer? That is a lot of unknowns for $370 with no choice in models and no information outside of a PDF of one pic of each group with no faction information… Read more »
I have the old rule book and some of the figures for the factions I was interested in at the time before it all went belly up. I was hoping that complete faction boxes would be launched so I could at least complete some factions but the all or nothing at big price tag and almost two years to delivery as it will be after the usual delays has me hoarding my cash. The only reason I see at the moment to back this would be utter nostalgia sadly particularly since PVC is the material of choice. A trend I… Read more »
I’ve become a war gamer since after this game went out of print (I guess) so have no understanding of it. Because if the hype I checked out the Kickstarter and wasn’t just put off by the price (which I could manage) but the lack of info about anything..
Seems like they are only interested in people who know the fame from before. But the sector has grown massively over the last years right? Why restrict yourself to a fraction of the market?
I’d only want to cherry pick minis from that, so if a retail product comes out I may look again.
It’s the kind of thing I’d back at the 30€ point for a set of minis. but not at the everything pledge.
If they offer sets of minis or faction boxes beyond the goblin as well, I might pick one out.
sad out of my price range may wait see if the right add-ons come out 🙁
I am reckon eBay will be flooded with this figures on delivery. Everyone will try to recoup some of the cost by selling the ones they don’t like or need.
Your 1000% right. Sad they can’t seem to see this as the blinders are on.
OK, they have released a bit more on what they will do as in the production side. The bodies will be in PVC and the thin parts in ABS. The manufacturers are Dust, Ludofact and JX.
Would have been better in resin as model collectors see more value in resin than PVC. I think of board game meeples when I read the letters PVC.
Dust eh .. hmm
They only went out for quote. More information is suppose to be coming tomorrow.
In other words, the miniatures will not be equivalent quality to prior Confrontation minis. Will be interesting to see how far off they will land.