Weekender: Bolt Action & Big Events This Weekend!
February 7, 2015 by dignity
We've got a bumper episode of the Weekender for you today. There's a mass of big events going on including the TempleCon coverage that continues today! As well as that we're down in Croydon covering Invasion 2015 for Dropzone Commander AND talking of Dropzone Commander we've got the Boot Camp coming in March!
As well as that we're going to be checking out a whole bunch of extras for MYTH by Megacon Games, talking about filming for Bolt Action and what's coming soon from Warlord and lamenting that John missed out on Angel Giraldez's art book!
On top of that we're trying to dissect what's been going on with Battlefront and Paolo Parente and then keeping some news a secret...maybe. Watch and find out!
Sit back and enjoy the weekend content!
Woooooot! Weeeeeeekend!!!!
Sit down to watch some of the weekender,
Warren – “I going to get a sip of this weird herbally tea that Sam has been feeding me.”
I imediately pause the show and go make myself a cup of herbal tea.
Talk about by your command :p
I’m a Jedi baby!!!! 😉
Wake up to the weekender, now for the Horus Heresy weekender 😉
Just think @warzen is the voice of reason. I want to thank the guys here at Beasts of War for showing such maturity (as is the norm when all kidding is put aside) and talking about this topic in such a way. You also handled the A to Z book issue properly. (I hope that book can live as a digital download on Amazon or the like) As a dust Babylon backer I thank you for voicing the feelings of many, we just want to play the game and enjoy this wonderful world. FFG had dust for a long while,… Read more »
Oops that is @warzan
Also I blame @Lloyd with all his dust excitement for my interest in dust.
Angel has said that the book is not sold out, it’s individual outlets that have sold out their allocation. He says he has stock he’ll be putting on sale next week. He’s also done some interviews about it which should be going out soon and this weekend there may be an announcement about the future of the book.
He put this project together on his own, funded it on his own, and it sold out this fast?
We should all have that problem. 🙂 Congrats to Angel on such a successful first printing.
Yur I’ve heard mixed messages, one stockist told me they had only put 1/2 of their allocated lot and it was some random UK store and more will go up later but I’m sure if this is true or not.
I was going to say I am 100% behind Warren on DUST but that might be severely misinterpreted by some pervs out there… I backed DUST for much more than the average backer and to be fair about 2/3 of the stuff has arrived, and the 1 items that was not in the box was sent as soon as I notified them. But all the kerfuffle is very concerning as this is not the only KS to go, or appear to go wholly or partially titsup. And the danger there is that people will back away from KS altogether as… Read more »
The big reason i have moved to playing Bolt Action is because i was playing Dust and was having such a hard time getting what i wanted even before the whole kickstarter thing. And i play with a bunch of guys from Battlefront at my club. It is just so much easier to buy Bolt action stuff.
Great weekender guys,,
Wise words Warzan, I do hope for the sake of the backers that this Dust problem sorts itself out, can imagine how frustrating this is.
As for the AtoZ I must of had my head in the sand for the past few day cos I’m not aware there was any prob’s, I do hope however that Wayland haven’t oversold their allocation.
Sign me up for Bolt Action Boot Camp. Maybe I should just move to Colraine and be done with it. Personally I didn’t get involved in the Dust Kickstarter but I sympathise with all that did. Its always the buyers that get forgotten in all of this. Why cant these companies just grow up and get it sorted and stop making it public it just damages your reputation and trust. I just had a look at the dust kickstarter page, $469,313 was invested by backers into the project. Someone somewhere has an awful lot of cash sat around??? Stop treating… Read more »
We’ll find you a place mate 😉
BoW estate agency now on the list. 😉 lol
Hi Chaps,
Understand what you are saying about Angels book, but CB did get involved and packaged a collectable figure that brought a whole different market into the launch. They should have made a ruling on one copy per customer, there are people commenting after buying the 3 copies allowed!If Angels wish was to spread his knowledge, then that has not happened, as I’m willing to bet that more than half the copies will never be opened as bought by collectors, and let’s see how many copies end up on eBay!
I think you hit the nail on the head here. While I was listening to Warren I understand what he is saying but I feel he totally ignored two very important facts; second-hand market and the exclusive mini. The moment you slap “Exclusive” or “Limited-release” on something, in this day and age, your product has just become prey for e-bay scalpers. Once the stock of A to Z is truly gone you are going to see it being sold, unopened, for at least double the cost. Now this is pretty much unavoidable but it can be mitigated…however as I understand… Read more »
What if they hadn’t sold out, what if he sold hardly any at all?
The man had every right to do everything to ensure he didn’t end up stuck with them.
All very well with hindsight, but he had no guarantees this would be a success
I would have though that point would have been obvious! 🙁
Dude
This is Angel Giraldez, head painter at CB, with nearly 9k on FB, and Infinity having 17k. Oh yeah and a personal friend of our chaps at BoW! Yeah, he was going to have trouble selling a painting guide then, really?
Easy to say when it isn’t your money on the line.
Never said he didn’t have a right to do whatever he wished. None of that changes the fact that not controlling sales opened the doors to e-bay scalpers. Or that by including a limited-edition mini they were creating an incentive for people with no interest in the book to buy it. What do you think those buyers are going to do with the book? It is either going to sit on a shelf, unused and probably not even looked at, or it is going to be sold on e-bay at inflated costs. If you were genuinely interested in getting the… Read more »
Again, he’d never done it before, and funded it himself.
I was shiteing myself over being able to sell 24 tickets to a Bootcamp, ohh yeah with nearly 80k facebookers etc etc
There are no guarantees on this kind of thing
The book wasn’t sold out within an hour of its release. The book isn’t sold out now. I bought my copy five days before Corvus Belli made their small allocation from the print run available for sale. Many other people ordered before then as well. This isn’t a Corvus Belli book, that wasn’t “the” official launch or pre-order. Angel said during the week that he has copies he’ll be selling directly and they will go on sale next week. He took issue with people complaining that the book had sold out by saying that he had never said the book… Read more »
I just want to start with a huge massive thankyou. I am one of the people that emailed you asking if you could look into it etc. Its been incredibly hard to keep calm when so much money APPEARS to have been taken without the promised return. Just listening to you guys speak through the issues and direct your comments at both parties put a smile on my face. Im far from the most irate person, Ive been annoyed for sure but its hard to know who to trust. Heres hoping we can get it sorted out because otherwise I… Read more »
wow more cool stuff for MYTH got my copy this week !
I have the DUST rule book ,but have not got any of the starter sets of models now i am wondering weather or not to get any , i don’t want to invest in a game that may disappear ,
they really need to sort this out as fans are now waiting and seeing what will happen
Sucks that my friends and I were just starting to look at this. Hope it works out.
Aww, man…
Can’t believe that John didn’t get hold of a copy of the book – if I was an evil ebay scalper and had a copy spare, I’d send one to you. But being an evil ebay scalper is bad karma, so I can’t!
Anyone who can style out a sweet Sabaton hoodie deserves a copy!
There is only one fact gleaned from this Dust debacle and thats Battlefront have turned from shopkeeper to highwayman as they have taken money and not sent the goods, and have have also sold the items that we have already paid for to retailers to sell – fact.
I blame the whole Dust/Battefront debacle on GW and their release of the new Eldar Harlequin Jetbikes
Great show guys,
I am one of the lucky ones coming to the DropZone Commander boot camp to which i am extremely looking forward to. I’m getting the felling this going to be Carnage with lots of Gaming,Drinking and eating.
Its great the next boot camp is already in the works makes the hole hobby a lot more involving and fun. Hopefully these events will become more common place in the industry now BOW are leading the way.
Haha… well I certainly am looking forward to the Boot camp. .. glad they have the next one planned, bet it clashes with a conference I am going to in May. Although I may be banned from the BA one as I am a convert to Chain of Command…haha.
Great show again guys thanks
Not involved with any kickstarters, but the Dust thing is saddening because its the kind of thing that sinks games, and I hate to see anything die that people like playing. I’m still smarting from confrontation.
The upcoming bootcamp was impossible for me to attend, and the May one probably will be as well (although I’d love an intro to bolt action), but I think its really great that they are happening. Looking forward to seeing the event through the eye of the camera and so on even if I can’t be there myself.
Just like to say thank you to Warren, Lloyd and the entire team for your passion and commitment to the hobby. Your views regarding Battlefront, Dust Studios and Angel and any issue that arises in the industry are always well informed, balanced and are always designed to support our community and the industry as a whole, thank you. I can testify that joining backstage is the best thing I ever did for my hobby. I only have limited time for hobbying and BoW allows me to keep up to date and inspires many of my hobbying projects. Hope your Dropzone… Read more »
Enjoyed the weekender loads of news most of it good, I did the Dust kickstarter, not been impressed with both companies, but enough has been said about this already.
I am really keen on the news of a Bolt Action bootcamp, now I can work on the Boss to see if I can go, as I have more notice lol. The Bolt Action campaign also sounds a cool idea, will look forward to hopefully taking part.
Bolt action boot camp… well I’ll need to get ID that’s valid for the Ferry. Or a schwimwaggen.
After backing several kickstarters last year (for more than I care to think about and the wife should know!) I thought Dust was the one to be rock solid secure, especially after it making nearly half a million. How wrong can you be! I put nearly $1500 into this and so far have received $31 worth of goodies!.More fool me.Like most people have said, I dont care whose to blame. Patience is wearing thin. We want it resolved. Send the items out or refund our investment. I had been hanging my nose over FoW…had….
Warren, thanks for your observations about A-Z. My own huge disappointment is still there, I’m afraid. I can understand Angel taking a careful approach to the self-publication and obviously he has limited resources, but he is not giving the books away. It seems he sold out all 5,500 copies @ 40 Euros a time in 30 seconds. Surely given he groundswell of interest on the web, he should have drawn back from his statements that there would NEVER be a reprint? People paid up from for their copy, so he would have had 5,555 x 40 = 220,000. Surely any… Read more »
Corvus Belli didn’t have anywhere near 5500 copies. That’s the total print run including all copies sold by retailers, CB, Custommeeple, and Angel himself. The last of which hasn’t gone on sale yet. Custommeeple had 100 copies, the figure I heard for CB was 170 (though I don’t know if that’s true).
Part of it is the exclusivity- the book was sold on the understanding it was a very limited edition, that it would only be one print run, and a lot of people in this hobby are collectors, so when there’s something like that that group of collectors wants in. If you sell out and then do a reprint, those collectors take umbrage that their 1 out of 5500 book is now a first edition copy. Its a small distinction true, but its still there.
I completely disagree with you in changing mind – you cannot promise that you will never print it and do it after, 2nd – book was designed for years and its his baby – if he decides its 5000 copies – its his right to do so, and you have to respect that. and 3 – he says as well that it is/was experiment ad he want to do series of books, so now knowing that next book will sell he possibly will think about 10.000 or more copies. But only if he will not hear constant rant from his… Read more »
Well for those who didn’t get the painting book by Angels, then I can recommend Figopedia by Jeremie Bonamant.
This has to be the best T-34 (captured) recovery I’ve ever seen, over 50 years in a lake and they get it started!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7boxp1Sk2w
@lloyd has hit the nail on the head saying the important thing is the boot camp is *not* a tournament. An entire weekend’s playing games is awesome, as long as your opponents are easygoing enough.
It’s a great idea and I envy the folk that are going and will try and make time for the Bolt Action one …
Yeah that’s the plan 🙂
Fook! Sorry Lloyd. That -1 was not intentional. I meant that as a +1. Jeebus.