The Weekender XLBS: Warren’s Christmas Horn & Legacy games are da bomb!
December 10, 2017 by warzan
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I’m working this week in New York, can’t sleep with the bad jet lag, can’t say how pleased I am to have BOW right now. HAPPY SUNDAY
And to think I was going to talk about Ben not being on the show. That was a lot more of a response than expected, I apologize to the community for making such a blunder as to send Warren an item that could be construed as a triple entendre. Actually no I am not sorry, that was seriously funny.
Try flipping your sheath around and it will allow your horn to stand erect.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night, or Happy Chanukah and have a great eight nights.
Happy Sunday
Happy Sunday!!
Time to paint up a couple more monsters/nemesis models in anticipation of a couple of KD:M evening sessions this week.
I think one of the main draws of Legacy games is the unpredictable and therefore unknown direction the game will follow. It feels like you’re a bit more off the rails – although in reality every branch of every tree should have been considered in design – just there are more switchable points than usual.
Although I do wonder how many games need to truly be Legacy, and it’s not just a gimmick.
Seems to be some debate both here and over in BGG as to the meaning of the term ‘Legacy’, as opposed to an established term like ‘Campaign’. Many games – and I include KD:M in those – allow you to make and record decisions early in the game that will influence the rest of the game. That’s just a good campaign system with cause and effect. Campaigns however can be reset – you can even run them in parallel (trying to housekeep three separate KD:M campaigns atm… !?!?!?) Legacy seems to suggest some sort of permanence; like ripping up cards,… Read more »
Its fecking cold out this morning, so staying in bed to watch XLBS, instead of doing my usual sunday morning routine of heading to the gym first thing. I normally watch XLBS whilst on the treadmill and exercise bike.
@lancorz don’t listen to them mate, I’m right there with you ASMR and they eat pizza with cutlery and are the real monsters 😉
Lindt Chocolate..yum! 😎
Bloody Warzan always flashing his horn around . I mean really has anyone on this site not seen it yet 😀 😛 😀
If anything ever happened to BoW Warren could easily be a train conductor for Translink
Lol
One of the great legacy games for leadership was GW’s Blood Royale. You created a royal family, married between royal houses, had family trees, succession rules and of course had wars often between family members whilst trying to govern nations during the medieval period with all the calamities of famine, plague, piracy, civil war, etc. Very surprised no-one’s every re-printed this
Probably because GW won’t let anyone. Warrior Knights though simpler was a fun game
@Warzan I have a similar experience with being told by Teachers that computers were ‘Just a fad’ and when I took electronics as a GCSE subject I was told ‘It’s not a proper science, do Chemistry or General Science instead’.
Oh how things have developed. As with yourself mate, I could see the bigger picture and where technology was going.
I get a but confused with all this new naming of types of playing so …
Legacy games used to be campaign games?
Organised play used to be competitive gaming?
And narrative games used to be Let’s whack some stuff on the table and have a go?
I think that’s a fair summary lol
Haven’t they developed window panes that are also solar panels?
Yes they have indeed mate
Really like how you guys talk about life and family in this show, really keeps things light and gives the show great variety, keep it up! Love the Advent calendar prank, I gotta try that! @warzan don’t let them cut your horn in half like Boromir. Agree with Az and the rest of ya. I love a game that grows and tells a story (narrative) with a group of people. Played a standard one on one game of 40k last weekend with my Krieg and I won the game 4-1 but left the game feeling ‘flat’. Just didn’t scratch the… Read more »
Found Warren’s house…
Some day mate!! Some day lol
Do we need to start a gofundme for your electric bill?
I am not sure that games really have much in the way of brackets you squeeze them into anymore. I understand we need to describe a games style but for me legacy is not about the game itself but whether it is a legacy game for me. To clarify my interpretation, a legacy game for me is a game that once I have played it I come back to it and play it again by choice and look forward to it. We often pick up games these days and hack them much in the way the BoW team do, adapting… Read more »
Happy Sunday mate!
We have had a fall of snow here this morning. What’s it like with you? I imagine if you want to defrost the drive you can just put your Christmas lights on 🙂
I agree with let’s play live, I was so happy when you guys played kingdom death monster. A game I was really interested in but one I could never afford. I also really enjoy watching people play legacy games, call me a fossil but still can’t get my head around destroying cards in a game. Keep up the good work hope to seem let’s play live.
A legacy game is one in which you make physical changes to the components as you play it so that the game will be physically different for each group as they play through it, and the experience will be different.
The reason why Pandemic: Legacy has been better received than Pandemic, which itself is a very well received game, is that PL takes the game of Pandemic and adds an experience to it. It is both a game and an experience, where Pandemic can only ever be a game. The success of PL coupled with the lack of a TM on the term has meant companies are apply ‘legacy’ to things which aren’t legacy games.
Happy Sunday!
What’s really the definion of a legacy game? I’ve understood and used the term only for games like Pandemic Legacy where your copy of the game is permanently evolving. But like @torros mentioned above, now people seem to be slap the term on any interlinked games with some character or warband progression, i.e. a campaign system.
Companies are tenuously using it as a marketing term on the back of the success of PL. The lack of a TM means no-one can stop them doing it. It is meaning that the term is already becoming so broad as to lose any meaning outside of what Pandemic Legacy or anything Rob Daviau does. We’re already seeing it both in the discussion here and in the conclusion in the comments that a legacy game is indistinguishable from a campaign game.
The interesting thing about legacy is that you create something (like a warlord or warband) and see it grow and develop with playing games. It also creates more of connection between yourself and that character/warband while it is growing and making choices to how it grows. And you can do this with many things, like in Kingdom Death with your settlement.
Nice horn Warren! Talking of spectre I’ve been looking at their new stuff recently as well. I’ve been thinking about how I can use the 4Ground homeland apocolypse stuff, maybe a little Red Dawn style but on a smaller scale. Love all the work on the spotlight this week, those paint schemes are awesome but I really love the Romean building. I love the idea of legacy games, recently ive headed straight toward smaller games because they feel more narrative. Im really looking forward to the fabled realms for this reason. I love all the individuality of the charaters and… Read more »
@warzan SLAP miniatures make pony figures
http://www.slapminis.com/pewter-ponies-24-c.asp
Great show guys. I really need to get a 3D program for my 3D printer. ATM its all just 3rd party files I’m printing. Time to start creating my own.
Video keeps crashing 🙁
Can we get a link for those race cars and tracks? I missed the name and would like to look it up. Thanks.
Here you go buddy
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anki-000-00046-Overdrive-Starter-Kit/dp/B0157Z3I7Y/ref=pd_cp_21_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=PA4VVV4JVKB7A8XJHYP8
@warzan I’d be happy to help if I can, with the new BoW site. I work as a software Test Engineer, so I do have a fair bit amount of test experience…including manual front end testing of websites (though my main expertise is automated tests, but I don’t think you guys really need that atm, with everything changing ;)). Anyway, just pop me a message, if I can be useful in any way 🙂 Thanks for a great show as always. I really enjoy the weekenders. It’s my favorite ‘time off, feet up, cup of tea’ moments. Must say i… Read more »