Weekender XLBS: Is Kickstarter Helping To Produce Better Games?
June 10, 2018 by crew
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Happy Sunday -XLBS and then bed
Happy Sunday to you too @rasmus!
Those aliens in that book aren’t just aliens – they’re australiens!
Boom boom lol
Happy Sunday, I vote for Justin as GM for Sentinels! BUT, only when he does the narrator voice!
The voice has to happen
If he can keep it up I salute him – I always come away with a sore throat after GMing a session!
tad personal…
lol
Happy Sunday. @recon63 has really outdone himself and I may have already polished off half a packet of those biscuits. Rorke’s Drift 22-23rd Jan, and I may have a bit of a Praetorian army myself if you want to do something big exciting for it 🙂
Let’s do it, and I reckon we need to set the battle on the streets of Rome too eh? ?
oh yes, we shall roam in Rome. I’m just prepping my mountain of stuff for Rome as I watch this actually
I’ve found my GD programme from 97 on GW’s big game and the WD that show them, weirdly this month revisits the scenario they played for the Praetorians 20 years on. I went looking online and was disappointed to see that they don’t use Praetorians in their refight! pffft
Then we will make it happen mate 🙂
Go for it.. Cross that Rubicon
I see what you did there, @torros . Just don’t curse @avernos and @warzan to failure, we all remember how that Rubicon thing turned out. 😮
battling on the way up to the Sentate??
Battling on the way up to the Senate??
@avernos, Cheers mate! Glad to know the bikkies plus the other bits were appreciated. @dignity, Advance Australia fair is(unfortunately) the Australian national anthem, however, more Australian knot the words to Waltz Sing Matilda (Christina Macpherson), and Land Down Under(men at work), the two most well known un-offical Australian anthems. Of course after a night down the pub, most Australians will either being singing(badly)Khe Sahn (cold chisel) or Am I Every Going To See Your Face Again! (The Angels). As the GM’s / DM’s, give the hobbit his soap box to stand on and shout from. Sam appears to be the… Read more »
Kudos to any country that can fit the word girt into the lyrics
Adam Hills singing the Australian anthem to the music of working class man is quite funny
https://youtu.be/eobSMcB-nMA
I vote for Sam.
He had the most interruptions (and face it they are going to be happening a lot) and he recovered well each time.
Lol that is an important observation right there ?
Thanks Warren.
Feedback on 2.0 – please give consideration to having editions/versions for not just a game but also plastic sets … I’m thinking of Warlord’s new version of the GI Box set, it looks like they are called it the same thing.
Sam would be a damn good Storyteller…plus I REALLY want to get stuck into the SINS world, it sounds awesome.
Thank you both for the vote of confidence!
Happy Sunday everyone! 🙂
Happy Sunday @oriskany! Any uboats over in your part of the world mate?
An embarrassment of riches, @warzan, as is often the case. 😀 We have U-505 in Chicago (ask @stvitusdancern or @deltagamegirl22 about that). Although quite a U-boat technically, I’ve also been the submarines USS Ling (SS 297) in Hackensack New Jersey and USS Growler at the Intrepid Air & Space Museum in Manhattan.
https://www.msichicago.org/explore/whats-here/exhibits/u-505-submarine/
An embarrassment of riches, @warzan, as is often the case. ? We have U-505 in Chicago (ask @stvitusdancern or @deltagamegirl22 about that). Although not quite a U-boat technically, I’ve also been the submarines USS Ling (SS 297) in Hackensack New Jersey and USS Growler at the Intrepid Air & Space Museum in Manhattan.
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The U-505 is an incredible display. If the guys come over for Gen Con we will take them there to see it. The new display is quite impressive and you can go through the whole sub.
Indeed, @stvitusdancern – I haven’t been to U-505 in waaay too long, apparently she has a whole new facility / building, etc (moved it in 2004 apparently)?
Yes an all new expansion and restoration of the sub.
We even have one in Cleveland as well, a USS COD
Hmm … too many links in a post, it seems. Okay, here is the link to the U-505 Museum:
https://www.msichicago.org/explore/whats-here/exhibits/u-505-submarine/
Happy Sunday it has been a long tine
Happy Sunday folks 🙂
Happy Sunday! Tough choice with the GM, I’d vote for Ben if only to hear more about how the large dwarf responds to Warrens porridge!
He’s been on my mind too lol ?
One of those moments where you’re not entirely sure on the best descriptive…however, a porridgey muddy lane sounds like it has to become by staple now.
So I am not influenced by anything in the show I am posting this BEFORE watching… I have only been using Kickstarter for just under two years and I can definitely see that the quality and quantity of games, be they card, board or miniatures based has improved significantly. This has been a self perpetuating progression, as companies realise that backers now expect products to be of the highest calibre, or they won’t back it. Gamers get better games and components, and this can in turn bring new people in to the hobby as they see how good stuff is… Read more »
I’ve sent questions to Kickstarter creators without backing by emailing them. Creators usually put contact details on their Kickstarter. Personally i think that Kickstarter could do without chitchatshat facility a lot of the time.
Microwave the dirt if you are concern with microbes?
Better cooking it for 30mins to an hour at 180°C
I agree
Baking the dirt is definitely the better plan. The minerals in the dirt can make the microwave spark and arc. 😮
Happy Sunday.I think they called it ” Hot Bunking “,as @warzan said,when someone went on shift,someone coming off shift would jump straight in.
Hi I’ve never backed a Kickstarter mainly due (apart from Forged in battles ancients figures) to the fact I’ve never seen one that’s interested me. I don’t think I’ve played one either, there may have been some but there is so many games begging to be noticed I might have missed it in the crush My question is for people to back lots of these. How many times if at all do you actually play the games with so much to choose from that is now in your collection and looking back was it worth it? I would add that… Read more »
I back a lot of KS’ers, possibly too many, but I mostly back games I’m going to play or miniature lines I like. To date there is only one that I’ve not done much with and that is Wrath of Kings. The game is good, the minis are lovely, but when it delivered about a year late we discovered that there is no UK or Irish distributor. So no one else could get involved. It’s now gone into a 2nd edition and if I want any of it, I have to go through a German shop for it. I like… Read more »
Happy Sunday!!
Happy Sunday all, good show this morning. For me, Kickstarter is a great way to see things that would probably never appear in retail and gives small companies a good opportunity to make it big. The biggest issue is one of self-control, there are so many things on Kickstarter you can become overwhelmed with new games, new systems and of course so much plastic. As for the site, I am still struggling to get the same level of engagement I had before but I know this will come in time. Never really felt confident to make and post projects as… Read more »
go ahead and post them matey, I’m using my own project as a log for myself and including paints and the like so I can refer back to them in future. Hopefully I’ll also use them as a sounding board for ideas. Besides anyone who streams should realise that people share their interests 😉
Agreed. Definitely post them! Even if you keep them private to yourself 🙂
Your mega shed would have been a fantastic project to have in there ?
To me the fundamental questions are did Kickstarter create such an increase in the economic investment into gaming it accelerated advances in quality? Or, were the advances evolving in the background and Kickstarter simply allowed developers the capitol to gain access?
The most important aspect of Kickstarter to me is that it moved many manufacturing decisions away from necessatating “corporate” views of investment vs. profitability, and toward capitol through idea and demonstrated public demand.
Another great show, happy Sunday!
Just to comment on the box size of MB:P versus Conan, they are the same size,i ( to my wallets shame,but my hearts joy ) own both games and the boxes are the same size / design.
I did see Conan in a retail store near me for a while.
They still have one in the local store near me and I think they only had one to begin with.
that Kickstarter is bringing better quality components to the fore is unquestionable. I was going to argue that the games themselves mechanics wise aren’t any better, but then I was thinking and I realised I was wrong. Some companies use the backers to help playtest and develop the mechanics both during and post KS, Mantic, and 4Ground are prime examples. But even someone coming to KS with a fully fledged idea and system benefit from the KS model. Would a completely new system, with an off the wall mechanic be economically viable? The creator in the past may be hesitant… Read more »
Happy Sunday all… Interesting Kickstarter argument… I dont know where I stand on it, I’m happy with my GW games and by that I mean the main ones, 40k mainly. I stick with that and dont have an interest in looking else where. For me I’m invested in the lore and I really enjoy how the game works for the most part. I can see how other games have improved just from watching your shows, some very good bundles and miniatures out there now coming through KS. I vote GM Ben.. Always wanted to see how one of these games… Read more »
I do think it has had an influence on the game community and it is very positive. Its making other game companies look hard at how they produce games and challenges like that are always good for companies. Good ol free market competition. Makes everyone more innovative!
Break.
I’d have to go with Sexy Furious Ben on the GM. I have never played an organized official role playing game so sign me up I’m ready to go into the mine! Maybe even the Mines of Moria!!!! 🙂
Great show guys!
On a side note reference surprises, I hope my in laws can link up with your team this week to drop off a special delivery for you and the team. @warzan
Yep we are all back in the studio again now ?
I get that companies can get better games out there going through KS and get it to a lot off people. But this will benefit bigger companies or better known companies because they have more funds to start with or the name to get a lot of backers and this can turn out bad for small companies that aren’t well known as most people will go to the KS that will give them more and are better known. And with so many KS running all the time you have a lot of games that aren’t getting the attention they deserve.… Read more »
Yes, maybe, but at least the small companies get a shot.
Yes they have but I have the impression they had more change of getting funded in the past then they do now with all the KS going on and returning well known companies.
I’m inclined to think that if the traditional retail/distribution model was ever going to be a positive environment for new entrants it would have already demonstrated that.
But it actually just led to a basic triopoly of dnd mtg and 40k (I’m generalizing but I think you get the point)
KS no doubt could end up the same but the decision making pool is Mich wider allowing viral ideas to spread 🙂
Yes, I know and you are totally correct. I was just trying to convey that KS isn’t a total solution and probably most here know this already.
And I know that KS could give the change that little companies with a good game/idea that went to KS unsuccessfully might get support from others to maybe get their game/idea out there in one form or another.
Happy sunday folks!
Vote Ben for GM – some classic D&D for new RPG’ers
Personally I’d take quality over quantity. Perfect the quality and you will always create demand for later.
I notice that Michael J Fox has announced Back to the Future IV will be released sometime this year or early 2019. Good on him for fighting back against his disease
Not to mention Christopher Lloyd’s insistence that a fourth movie would be too much.