Weekender XLBS: Give A Friend Free Backstage & Ninja Division Fallout
February 17, 2019 by brennon
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1st again? Did lightning really strike twice?
lol nice one mate
happy sunday
……….*shakes head* ….. *deep sigh * ………you really can’t help some people …. 😉 😛
Edible bug challenge accepted. Australia is full of the things. Hell this place is so overrun with bugs you end up eating them even when you don’t mean to! HM Customs better not stop this package. Witchetty grub on way Justin! We even have edible ants and spiders, well people have been know to eat them.
@dignity we are so on lol
Witchetty grubs are ok to eat
i can’t compete with australia, but i think we have some disgusting things here in texas, time to hit the trails hunting for justin’s dinner..
damn if i only skipped doing dishes..
Just kidding. Here’s to a fun, carefree thread today. 😀
Thank god you didn’t go for the marathon man version of that meme!
Happy Sunday! The ‘Pass on a Pass’ sounds like a great project. Just wish I could have gotten some of my friends to keep logging in here so I could sign up for the ‘Pass’ to pass on to them. I guess that is their loss. I really enjoy hearing about everyone’s personal hobbies. Kickstarter………..what can I say. Every time I back one it seems like they never hit their promised deleivery time. I’ve found myself only supporting games that capture the theme or spirit of a game I’ve always wanted or have the first version of and want more… Read more »
Play the classic game via TTS
Tabletop Simulator
https://store.steampowered.com/app/286160/?snr=1_5_9__205
Raid on St Nazaire [Solitaire Wargame]
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1161482296&searchtext=wargames
There is someone doing this in the project threads
Thar would be me 🙂
Hopefully will get through a few more turns today.
Yep link here guys https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/1346865/
🙂
And I’ve got round to doing turn 2 🙂
Happy Sunday!!!
Happy Sunday .. looking forward to this it has been a busy day so far
I’m one of the backers of the Relic Knights Kickstarter. I agree there is a risk with kickstarters. There are genuine reasons why kickstarters can fail. The problem is in my experience, most people that fail to deliver on a Kickstarter campaign simply walk away with no explanation to backers about what went wrong. There’s two points that speaks to the dishonesty with which Ninja Division have conducted themselves. The first is that it has become clear that the Company was in financial strife well before they ran the Relic Knights kickstarter. They ran it as a revenue generating exercise… Read more »
I’m so sorry to hear this mate 🙁
There’s an interesting distinction legally that could and should be made between funds raised in the KS for rewards and for products and services subsequently bought and paid for in the post-project PM. In the first you’re gifting funds for which you may or may not receive ‘rewards’, in the PM you should be able to treat this as a more standard transaction for which there may be more redress (despite what they may suggest in any terms and conditions). Particularly if you use a credit card for the PM purchase! Anyone had any success with Credit Card companies or… Read more »
Although having just checked BackerKit’s Terms of Service they consider their service as an extension on the crowdfunding at backer’s risk. US regulation still makes crowdfunding subject to the prohibitions on fraud and false advertising that apply to all commercial transactions. (Crowdinvesting and crowdlending are different models and regulated by specific laws).
even KSer own terms of service state that the product or a refund should be given, but saying that and enforcing that are two very different things.
(I’ve backed Railraiders, Starfinder miniatures and Relic Knights; only RR did deliver) I think part of the problem for failing kickstarters is that we’re last in line to get any info at all. As a result there simply be no one left who can contact backers. There is no practical way for Kickstarter themselves to manage this when you look at the amount of kickstarters that are active at any given moment. And other than increasing the reliability of the platform there is no reason for them to do so. I do have to say that the ration of completed… Read more »
I genuinely think a ‘tick to say I got my promised goodies’ button would be enough to actually let people know if a company is worth looking at as a prospect.
the box is there … there simply isn’t any use for it for backers.
I don’t know if the creators of a project have access to that data, but given that practically everyone uses a 3rd party site as a pledgemanager there must be a reason.
The Law enumerates crimes and supersedes any Terms of Service document. Thus if fraud has occured ( of course, a crime), then KS’ Terms of Service cannot prevent you from seeking Justice.
Unfortunately, there is also prosecutorial discretion to pursue charges or not based on the strength of the case. But it sounds to me like a lot of people are in the same boat as you, and the Justice system does like to set examples if Kickstarter Fraud is a new avenue of wrongdoing.
Happy Sunday! Kickstarters… Kickstarters… Who got me into this whole Kickstarter habit? BoW! That’s ####ing who! And it all started with Myth, 6 years and over 100 backed projects ago. The first Myth KS went well apart from a few delays (to be expected) and some issues with poorly written rules. But then a sorry tale of overlapping KS projects, poor communications from MegaCon (as they became called – who says Americans don’t get irony?). It soon became obvious that they hadn’t managed cash flow and project spend properly so appeared to be borrowing funds from the next campaign to… Read more »
As for monitoring progress post KS towards delivery there’s a wide variation in effective communication: From little comms before a package arrives at the front door to regular updates. Some examples: >>> Poor comms: Mercs/MegaCon… during the timeline discussed above there was a habit of them releasing an update for an existing (often over-running with problems) project hours before they started yet another KS or launched the PM. Poots/KD:M… sorry to say, but the only communications we tend to get for KD:M 1.5 is on regular holidays (Halloween, St Valentines etc.) but these tend to be “here’s the instore items… Read more »
“Join us in the back room” – “Join us in our windowless van” @avernos ‘s ‘pay it forward’ idea sounds cool; will have to have a rummage around to see if there’s anything in my collection that I want to offload. 🙂 Re: boners – there’s a famous Batman comic from the thirties or fourties where the word boner is repeated a rediculous number of times where it’s meant the sense of blunders/bloopers/etc. http://www.superdickery.com/batmans-boner/ Pressure pots and vacuum chambers – you do know you’re the Beasts of War and not the Mythbusters right @warzan ? ? If you want to… Read more »
when he mentioned it I immediately thought about the Boner comic, but I didn’t want to derail the conversation, as you may have noticed we can be easily derailed on occasion 😉
Good point, bringing it up in the show would have been a right boner.
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Whoever draws Justin, please consider naked fanatics, naked hoplites, naked Celts.
GERRY I WILL FINISH PAINTING THAT GIANT SPACE MARINE ONE DAY!
don’t worry mate I’ve still not started the Greeks XD
@warzan half ground scale is actually what every 28mm Wargame uses so it should work great for your game. The Campbeltown exploding wasn’t a guarantee. In the book “Churchill’s Secret Warriors” they cover the raid and the Commando’s had doubts about the reliability of the fuses after the massive impact and the German’s had been on the ship for hours before it was meant to explode and when it didn’t almost all the commando’s lost hope, they imagined the German’s had found the explosives. When it did explode the commando’s got a massive moral boost. Maybe have a set turn… Read more »
Mybe your right and we could have the Campbelltown possibly not explode. From a gaming perspective though I cant think of any way to ‘influence’ the result through choice or skill. And for me there is not a lot of fun in random effects completely out of control of the player. (Aka the end of talisman etc) This is why I’m thinking it will blow by default, but maybe we adjust when it blows and give the player some influence over who is on board when she does? So perhaps safe evacuation of crew, vs some kind of tempting axis… Read more »
@warzan you could guarantee it explodes but not when. e.g. 3 tokens in a bag, pulled in turns 5, 6 and 7. So it will definitely explode but there’s also an element of ‘we don’t know how long we have to hold out’.
Yep that could work for sure!
@angelicdespot that’s a much better idea.
Justin the Alpha Strike should be my new The Two Towers mud character warrior 😀
Just a couple of quick footnotes to the Gareth Sarka / Far West RPG debacle. One of the reasons folk are so done with Gareth is that he has claimed to be weeks/days away from completion on multiple occasions, only to go radio silent for months before bouncing back up with another round of woe tales. As far as I know Gareth hasn’t attempted to run another crowd funded project since Far West, but he has undertaken paid work in the sphere, notably as a contributor to Modiphius Entertainment’s Star Trek RPG, which generated a modicum of controversy as he… Read more »
Thanks for the expanded background on this @cutter mate not easy for anyone involved I’m sure 🙁
Oh boy, you guys may have just underestimated the twisted sense of humor that the internet has. That said this is the backstage and we don’t won’t to hurt you guys but like an older brother tricking his younger siblings into trying stuff for the sheer laughs….we have an responsibility to get a reaction.
The miniature swap/gift discussion seems like a nice idea as well. Hopefully the free subscription give-away leads to a whole host of new “normies” joining us past the 6 months.
LOL
I’ve got some very tasty then 30secs later painful mango hot sauce, I’m betting we could get Justin to do a reasonable red skull impersonation…
Did you just say touching your cock makes you happy ?
Thanks W… today is the first time painting since early Dec with my poor health, so today listening to you have been a healing day indeed…need to post you guys something in the week..!!!
hope you’re feeling better mate!
make sure whatever you send is minging lol 😉
Typing as someone that was trying to get a FLGS established, that had crowdfunding as a competitor, to hear that FLGS “were sacrificed”…..
No words, Warren, no words.
I hope you haven’t taken that as some form of insult – as it really wasn’t meant to be at all – it was more a statement of the responsibility the industry/community have in their dealings. There were repercussions of kickstarter and everyone in the industry was aware of them, they were no big secret, and a by product was to some degree the sacrifice of the FLGS. I mean this in a number of ways too. 1) Obviously money took a direct route to projects and bypassed the traditional distribution model. 2) The speed of new product introduction skyrocketed… Read more »
I’m still in calming down mode, watching some other outlet’s content.
I’m trying to live by a saying I picked up recently:
“Don’t react, respond”
I’ll PM you.
As I’ve written before, I reckon that the industry has missed an opportunity to have a mutually beneficial model that benefits the FLGS by using them within the fulfilment/distribution chain. This would potentially reduce shipping costs, give the FLGS a small fee but also a contact with a new customer that they could support hobby, expansion and gameplay wise encouraging growth of communities that will support those games wanting to release into retail models.
Agreed, it was attempted by Battlefront but then the whole dust fiasco put them right off the model all together. (Which is a pity as they may well have made traction on that model with their connections)
On the subject of failed kickstarters I found the view on companies running into difficulty very interesting. I think some sort of flag would be nice for people who aren’t savvy enough to do a bit of research. I was an AVP backer and I have a bleaker view of Prodos kickstarter. I can absolutely take @warzan ‘s point that things can snowball, but my issues with prodos were never about the delays or difficulties they were facing & I would have had a lot of sympathy for them… if they told us about it. The problem I had with… Read more »
Well within your rights to have that nerve hit mate – the whole fiasco is a model of what not to do these days.
Certainly one of those situations where companies could have just owned up ahead of it all going to hell. Also, not biting off more than they could chew.
I agree with the team, platforms that allow crowdfunding should keep a record of the projects and how they did and what they did and make this public information. They should also do some homework towards the companies that want to do a project.
I don’t see them doing this for several reasons as long as they get their cut of the pie.
@dignity I would be one of the DnD other ones 😀 @avernos thanks for remembering me 😀
lol let me know if he tells you the 72 shot 26 save centurion story during the next play through lol 😉
he takes so much looking after
Really nice to hear you talk about Ks…. says the man who backed Robotech and the Evil dead boardgame…..
Until I saw the t-shirts I really thought you were saying “Snag an Army” with an Irish accent ?
lol
Happy Sunday folks
Justin you seem very stressed today 😀
Re. Kickstarter Watch, looking forward to see it make a return. Luckily I have 99% very positive experiences so far out of 31 backed projects (though I am backing Confrontation, so we’ll see about that ratio) and it would also be nice to give some kudos to those creators via the OTT platform.
P.S.: Weird food challenges, really? I thought you were above such YouTube trash.
Never underestimate the depths we (ok I) will sink to to get a rise out of @dignity 😉
I’m not as phallophobic as @dignity but I still don’t really want to see a rise out of him…
LOL
lmao
What I would like to know and it’s probably nothing to do with this weeks show is why Subbuteo has been added to the company/games section?. An interesting addition in my book
I used to really love it but was really crap at it when I was a kid. I remember a game where I lost 26-0. My mate had 27 shots and I only made one save
Maybe an article or something referencing it is in the works?
It might be part of the Snag a Normie initiative; in other vids the guys have mentioned using sports games as a way of snagging sports fans who might be put off by fantasy/sci-fi games, so naturally Sebbuteo has been brought up.
Alternatively, ‘subbuteo’ is just Latin for ‘hobby’, so technically everything can be tagged as subbuteo. ?
or maybe someone is about to start a project of their pet bird 😉
I think Kickstarter will have no choice but to become more responsible as the platform grows. I have some experience with this being for many years one of the senior team at JUST EAT, as we grew and ended up representing tens of thousands of restaurants the pressure was on us to ensure the quality, pricing, allergy advice was up to scratch, even though there was no regulatory responsibility (this is down to trading standards) but to the public we were the platform and if we hosted/represented a restaurant they want to know we had done our due diligence. I… Read more »
hear hear!
@laughingboy – interesting perspective and good point.
If KS have any sense they ought to be able to see the way things are headed. If you look at the increasing pressure on social medial platforms to get rid of fraudulent or criminal content and/or offer protection to vulnerable users, KS ought to realise that with the amount of money we’re talking about and the relative maturity of the platform that they ought to be doing more.
Agreed, at this stage of the game, they are not underfunded to begin trying to tackle this issue.