XLBS: Chatting Tank Tips With John & More From MYTH
March 30, 2014 by warzan
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Great video. Looking forward to Myth week.
Me too!
Happy Sunday!
For camouflage schemes I tend to free hand my camouflage with an airbrush, this works equally well with 2 tone or 3 or more tone schemes. The technique has a subtleness to it that I find looks great. It works great on 28 mm scale but would scale down to both 15mm and 10 mm scale with practice.
I wonder why no one has invented soft camo paint pads that you could dip and press against the model…. mmmm
I have a lot of German 15mm figures I’ve been painting from FoW lately, and (as a heavy-historical player) I always dread painting my Germans because they have the most complex camouflage schemes that are tough to replicate with my … hmm … less than Romain-level painting skills. They all have that “blur” effect that I imagine works great with an airbrush, but I can’t quite master it on minis as small as 15mm (half the tank comes out sand or brown or green instead of the mottled “leopard” look that many mid- and late-war German units used.
So I have to do it with my brush, which I manage (on this small scale) with some manual blending, but I’m sure it’s not air-brush level. I did manage that “Ambush” scheme that Dave mentions, though, with the faint white “polka-dots” added later with the end of a wooden toothpick. It looked awesome on the side-skirts of my StGs and PzKpfw-IVHs, since you have so much flat (or near-flat) real estate to work with.
With those wide, flat spaces on the schürzen, it’s too bad the Germans never got into the “nose art” kind of thing you see on so many American bombers of the period. You could really put some great unit insignia, “eye candy” sweethearts, or other creative paint schemes on there. Maybe food for thought for warzan and his “Nachtwolfen?” 🙂
If your interested, and have even the most basic of airbrush, or even spray cans, this is how I painted a load of 15mm Panthers doing an ambush scheme. It gives a “feathered” edge on the lines which at that scale looks fine by my eye. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.438160332957542.1073741844.423843057722603&type=3
Those Panthers are ridiculous-level awesome! I see what you mean about applying the three-colored scheme. What is that you used for the “block” … kneaded eraser or clay or play-dough or something? I was thinking of a similar technique using masking tape or something similar (cut into curves)… but was afraid the lines between the colors would be too sharp. I never through to use some sort of rounded clay like this, thus allowing SOME paint to get in underneath it for the feathered look. Great tip, I will totally try this with my next batch of Germans. Thanks!
Myth week!!!!!!! Totaly awesome, hopefully i have my KS copy by then and can follow along.
E.t.a. May, June. We europians are in wave 2 and need to wait, thats the bummer. But cant wait till i have it in my hand.
There is a lot of b€&@€)tch and moans about the rulebook, but i cant imagine its that bad. Think myth week can help with that.
We’re in the same boat waiting our copy.
Consider this, they will reprint it and send it with shipment two, if it was not that bad, they would not do it.
From the comments, I understand it is great at saying you what and how to do something, but not when or why to do it.
I havent seen that they will reprint, just an faq an first quest booklet.
“it is great at saying you what and how to do something, but not when or why to do it”
This is a pretty fair assessment of it. I think we should be able to help with that though. Or at least we’ll have a couple of goes at it!
Myth is a game I have to buy. It’s one of those rare games where my missus has expressed an interest.
There is a lot to like about this game, so it may well be worth having a go at.
Hmm, Myth eh? Gonna look forward to learning more about that! 🙂 Awesome to see John this episode too. 🙂
For pigments I spray dull coat on my model first let it sit a minute or two then do the pigments.
Do you find you have a time limit to complete the work that way though?
I’m making the assumption that you are using the dull coat for some adhesive quality – or is it just to retain the pure colour of the pigment?
To answer both of your questions yes. The tackiness helps adhere the pigments whiteout mudding them and you do have a limited time to work. I try and pre plan so I kind of know how I’m going to apply them.
Hope you hold off on Myth week till we get it. Megacon are apparently getting the wave 2 stuff in late April. A week or so to get it packed up and shipped to Germany. Then it gets posted out to all the European backers. So mid/late May would be my guess on actually getting it. (if everything runs to plan). Can’t wait!
Gives you guys time to get your copy all nicely painted for the videos.
Keep up the good work.
We’ll keep you all posted on the timings
Awesome, myth! 🙂
Dazzle was also to change the perspective from a distance. Is the boat coming closer, or going away. Is it parallel, or slightly off. By having different lines, it meant it was hard to work out speed and bearing, especially from a periscope. Was pretty important to reduce the success of u-boats.
Then sonar went and made the world a less ‘dazzling’ place 🙁
Great post, tinbane! I’ve also read that dazzle paint schemes were meant to reduce the effectiveness of surface naval gunnery. Hitting a battleship, cruiser, etc is relatively easy in terms of deflection (left to right), but because long-range gunnery is “arced,” you had to drop a shell right on top of the target rather than simply shoot at it in a flat trajectory. Thus, knowing how FAR a target was is critical. In the days before gunnery radar, optical rangefinders were very important, but dazzle paint could cause even the most powerful rangefinders to mis-gauge how large a target was,… Read more »
Last bit of silliness re: naval camouflage … I’ve also seen interesting photos of Japanese aircraft carriers with enormous fake gun turrets painted on their flight decks. Apparently the idea was for American bomber pilots (always keen on hitting carriers as the highest-value targets) to pass them by as “mere” heavy cruisers and the like. Again, I don’t think this was terribly effective, but would be fun to paint on a model. 🙂
You shouldn’t forget the pink and sky blue desert camo schemes.
Off to have a look at that now!
From what I’ve read, the British Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) pioneered (or at least used) that pink desert scheme on their famous Chevy 30cwt trucks. They look kind of ridiculous on the ground (seriously, they’re as pink as the panther …) but for some reason, that particular wavelength of pink vanishes against a sandy background when viewed from the air, and that what these guys were worried about.
Yeah, some of the British units used a desert “dazzle” pattern like this:
http://home.comcast.net/~szee1a/tanks/DSC_8613.jpg
Quick question for Dave (or anyone else, of course) … Germans tank crews sometimes had the practice of painting “kill rings” just forward of the gun mantlet or behind the muzzle brake, usually white wings around two inches wide, each one signifying an enemy AFV killed by the crew. But painting 2, 5, or 10 of these things on the gun barrel of a 15mm miniature is murder. Does anyone make transfers or decals for this?
I’d be glad to help in anyway. I’ll be busting out the brushes soon to try and get some of the horde painted up.