Hawks were always 4+ saves. you want more shots or stronger lasblasters? 3 shots moving 12″ per turn then running away is awesome. spiders havent changed much – before was move 12″ jumpback 2d6, now its jump forward 2d6+6 (so average 1 more) and jumpback exactly the same with the danger being in the move phase now. obviously spinners now have rending equivalent, the +1S is situational, especially as so run marines. you are right they didnt have fleet before though. shining spears are half the points what they used to be iirc. although battlefocus is kind of pointless on… Read more »

I agree with katadder here. The swooping hawks are really good as they are now. 3 shots, str 4 AP 4 blast (6 or less) that ignores cover or large with a bigger squad when they deep strike for their point cost is great. With more peoples playing non powered armoured armies now these guys are quickly becoming a favourite unit of mine. Warp spiders are simply amazing now. With a possible 36′ movement (really lucky) and their nice new improved guns they are also a great choice. In fact all the fast attack choices are great and after I… Read more »

actually largely agree with you here other than shining spears will at least see some testing out in my army always wanted to try them but cost in points and £££ was a lil high now i got plenty of bits about and they save so many points having powers built in and dropping 10 points a model plus a 3+ jink save when they turbo boost! hawks have got 5 points cheaper again with powers built in and new rules particularly like fact they don’t scatter so drop down next to cover blast template something nasty then pour fire… Read more »

I have to agree with most comments already put out. Swooping hawks have got a lot better thanks to the extra shot, no scatter on deep strike and generic bonus of battle focus. I will have to try them out in a few list to see. Warp spiders have got even better thanks to Warp pack changes and they way the spinneret rifles work. They have been a mainstay in my lists since 5th Ed. Not convinced by the fliers due to the shocking low armour of 10. Pretty much bolters can make mincemeat of them, and Tau pulse rifles… Read more »