I may b wrong, but I believe the axe is +1 st AP3

Berserkers are stil Berserkers, plague marines still plague marines, etc Chosen as troops would be great if it wasn’t the 265 point Abaddon that did it, as it is they’re still good just not as good as terminators, random rolls each turn might be fluffy for the possessed but its a PITA competitively, terminators are the only ones you can’t have as troops that I’d want as troops. As for the hullbrute, the best use for it is convert it to a generic daemon prince then wait till you get that one time there’s actually room to place him when… Read more »

Power Axe is +1 strength AP2, unwieldy, chain axe strength as user and AP4 attack at your Initiative which is cool. Chosen with power swords and mark of slaanesh could be very nasty against other marines, 4 attacks on charge AP3, slice and dice. Heck even basic Chainswords would pump out alot of hits that marines would drop over. Abaddon is a monster but expensive, i think slightly cheap then the last codex. I don’t remember seeing it but if you have twin linked bolters can you reroll snapfire shots if you are charged? thank could be fun.

If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t slow and purposeful just mean that they cant sweeping advance or fire overwatch now? I’m fairly certain in 6th ed they removed the “always counts as going through difficult terrain” clause.

Actually guys all slow and purposeful does now is you’re basically relentless at the cost of being unable to run or fire overwatch

My use for the Hellbrute: Squash it on a scenic 40 mm Base and use it as a Terminator with obesity.

slow and purposeful does not slow you down in movement any more!
you cant run, boost, flat out, do sweeping advances ore overwatch, but you move normal!

Your Hellbrute would make good carpet gripper
You could get a lot of them and nail them to the top of your garden fence to stop people climbing over

I would use a Hellbrute against Eldar and Datk Eldar, especially to charge and tie up units like Incubi, which are dangerous to my other troops but canno do anything to vehicles.

I thought Thousand Sons had AP3 bolters, do they not have them this Codex, or did they forget to mention it?

I think you guys missed the noise marines, I think they’re a good deal, ignoring cover with those special weapons is huge.

And like people have said above, plague marines are better against pretty much everything. Thousand Sons slow and purposeful isn’t as awful as it used to be. Even berzerkers who ultimately didn’t really change much got a slight points decrease. Chaos actually did quite well aside from their terminators being good in the elites section. Sure, besides the helbrute being a bit rubbish…

You guys have the Helbrute wrong all wrong.

Reaper Autocannon and Powerfirst for 110 pts. Send him up the field, harrassing enemy transports or heavy infantry at range. If he’s shot and ganced, he’ll either progress up the field faster OR unless 4 twin linked S7 AP4 shots, which is nasty stuff.

Use the hellbrute as a Warmachine Helljack proxy

For helbrutes you take 1-2 with huron black heart, infiltrate them and then use their multi-meltas to pop enemy viechles before assaulting and accepting your fate, either that or you give them the reapers or lascannon and sit them in front of your havocs or defiler so they get cover from you while your simply shooting away and getting destroyed in peaceful retrospection

I am going to use my three hellbrutes for my ork army actually, little bit of green stuff, some blade work, and I can have some nasty looking dreads thank you very much 😉

Lee