February 4, 2012 by brennon
A bit of an internet hubbub caused by this news. Check out the images pinched from ebay of some new paints that might be on the way from Citadel and Games Workshop...
As you can see there's the normal Foundation label, but what about these layer and base paints?
What do you guys make of this?
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Will this be the point where GW finally go below 10ml per bottle?
and raise the price
What the heck is a “layer” paint?
Aren’t all paints put on in layers? lol
I would take a guess that layer paint is for the layering technique of blending, now, you can do that with any paint, just thin it.
So, its probably twice the price , with a bit of glaze medium (because they sold some in that kit at christmas) or retarder ready mixed in so you can use it from the pot.
It fits the GW business model well.
-sigh- cant they just sell us paint? and bring back the inks?
Yes! We demand inks! Inks! Inks!
Meh. I’ve moved on. Gee Dub do washes. Now for inks use PP. They’re pretty effective
@elromanozo – let me be the first to get on your case about a paint review when these come out. Your input would be very useful, especially if the price does go up – I’d like to know it was for quality reasons! 😉
I wish all GW was foundation paints- you can thin it for glaze, wash etc
May need to look at other ranges when my current pots run out or dry out
I still have 15 paints and 2 inks from the early 90’s range in the 17.5ml pots.
They just never seem to run out.
Now that’s some 10-15 years of me not having to buy new paints* and so that’s 10-15 years of lost sales to GW, hence why the modern paints are so crap for shelf life, they were so good back then that they feared the future.
Some of my old paints are just colours you never use while many are on the last few ml.
Yeah I have some old paints that have lasted for over a decade lol.
BoW Ben
I like the dropper pots from Mantic but may consider going to Coat D’Arms as thats basically original GW stuff as far as I know. Then there are the Vallejo range…sigh so many great choices and so much inertia to find the same colours from other ranges
From the looks of things they might be going the way of the P3 range and have them set up as base, shade and highlight. This might be just a relabel so to make it easy to choose for the role it will be for. Then again it might be a new type of paint/glaze something. We just need to get our hands on it and test like @thc303 pointed out.
just stick to coat d’arms paints, they used to supply GW, got 150 colours/inks etc 18ml pots, £2 each. winner
I hope they don’t get rid of any colours to make way for new ones like they’ve done in the past. Otherwise I’ll set sail to Vallejo! Don’t know why they’ve bothered with the label change on Foundation paints, hardly any difference!
Disappointed they didn’t make the move to dropper bottles.
Agreed. All my GW paints keeping drying/gumming up in record time. Also, P3 paint pots always seem to crack on the lids and split open. Dropper bottles would be better for me.
would just like to say these are confirmed, someoen found them for sale on ebay as officaial GW paints “new” or something , so dont take this as a dead cert it may just be someone having fun with a label maker
i find citadel paints pretty expensive but these look like something helpful and I might consider a pot or two.
Aguante Vallejo 😛
It looks more a simple rebranding to me. The reason, apparently, they went for the names they did on the Foundation range is that rivals, namely Vallejo, couldn’t make an obvious analogous paint. Orange Fire is clearly Fiery Orange for example but what is Knarloc Green? Luftwaffe Camouflage Green apparently but that’s not the point, there’s no clear alternative when it comes to following their painting formulas in the White Dwarf or their guides anywhere else. Slaanesh Grey, Cadian Flesh and White Scar are probably existing colours but as they have brand IP descriptions there’s no way for a competitor… Read more »
what you mean i dont have to use gw paints on gw figs?? wow
/sarcasm
Its a secret.
That really used to give me the rage when I saw it in tournament rules and the like, particularly when it was something so generic like WHFB where there’s a wealth of undead/dwarf/elf/human/other miniatures out there. “Must be Citadel miniatures painted with Citadel paint, applied with a Citadel brush whilst using your Citadel Painting Station and carried safely to the venue in your Citadel Carry Case”. Ok I’m exaggerating but only a little 😉
You forgot to mention that one has to sing the Citadel song when making and painting the models or it doesn’t count.
Slaanesh Grey from GW = DragQueen Grey from Vallejo 😛 . Problem solved.
They just need to bring back chestnut ink. I’m on my last bottle from the 90’s and it is the holy grail of instant gold shading. There’s other companies that make a similar ink but I’m stuck in my ways :p
Try Vallejo smoke. It’s more ‘grungy’ than chestnut ink and you’ll need to thin it but I find it good for shading gold/bronze. I’ve used chestnut too (still got 8 out the 9 inks, missing no 7 whatever that was) but smoke is also a good weatherer and readily available =)
I feel GW paints are fine/good in and of themselves. Their price and quantity is slightly offensive. And where have their wonderful inks gone!?
I have to say, Foundation paints ARE amazing. I love them to pieces. I don’t know if any other company makes that sort of stuff for cheaper, but whatever they are, they’re bloody brilliant. Hat’s off to the inventor.
In my experience Vallejo paints are a higher opacity anyway but they do also make specific high opacity paints which are the equivalent to the GW Foundation paints…except that it’s cheaper and you get more paint.
You can tell them apart from the other Vallejo paints by the prefix ‘Heavy’. For example:
Heavy Bluegrey (144)
Heavy Siena (154)
Heavy Charcoal (155)
Similarly Vallejo Model Color have more pigment than the Game Color range. I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Vallejo confessed that the “Heavy” colours were just the formulation they used for VMC. My first Vallejo paint was a chance buy when talking to someone in a ‘proper’ model shop about 15 years ago and I just happened to mention how difficult I was finding it to get any coverage with GW’s red. He sold me a pot of VMC Flat Red (957) and my jaw hit the floor when I had the problem of it actually being too strong!… Read more »
I pick and choose from GW, Vallejo, P3 and Coat D’Arms.
If they are doing a pre-thinned paint for blending and what not i will pick up a few, still find it a hassle to get ratio’s right
Although I grant you that Foundation and Washes are quite good in the 5 minutes that it takes for them to dry out – Games Workshop paints have been crap for the last decade.
With these new paints though it looks as though they’re going the route of having base, midtone and highlight paints.
Blasted GW, they did the mega paint set to move old paint stock as was suggested many times over on many-a-forum.. Then they are going to release these “new” line of paints, claim they are revolutionary, charges everyone more for them and ultimately provide another product of dubious longevity..l Since when have GW ever raised prices based on an increase in quality, they have a set-in-stone business model to raise prices every year, any increase in price is not a reflection of increased production cost, nor quality increase, it is a business descision to raise profit margin year-on-year set down… Read more »
If you read any of the investor documents from GW (just google) you will see that they are putting profit-margin ahead of either sales or profit as a whole. As per the last few years and the no doubt the future each items comes out will have a higher price-to-cost ratio simply. So charge more for less and it maintains the profit whilst reducing costs.
as far as colors, looks like more, which is better. However, they are in pots, and not dropper bottles. I wish that Gw would convert to dropper bottles.
Hey you all wanna dropper bottles, is plenty easy.
Take a leaf outa da Gallileo’s book anda let them fall offa da top of da Tower da Pisa and then you got dropper bottles.
And this is why I have gone to Vallejo’s and P3’s. Better paints and more of it for the same price. These bottles look tiny. Wonder how many awesome colors GW will do away with this go round? I miss my Brazen brass!
As long as they don’t change the foundation paints or washes, I won’t care.
Vallejo/Winsor & Newton for everything else.
Slaanesh grey? There’s a lot of colors I’d associate with Slaanesh, mainly colors that are garish and look very odd (but intentionally so) when painted onto daemons and Chaos Marines, but grey isn’t one of them. Maybe it’s an odd shade of grey, hard to tell, but still, it doesn’t seem to fit the name.
I thought that Death Korps of Krieg Pink was not only inappropriate but also a bit of a mouthful! lol
If they’re any good then I’ll consider staying with some of the Citadel Paints I use. But if they’re useless to me then I’ll TOTALLY switch to Coat d’arms, (the old Citadel paint range) & Vallejo. (& what do they mean by layer? just very thin paint?)