DEBATE: Toys to Machines & The Air Cav Assault Sled In Game

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grimwolfuk

Hi folks its a GI JOE Sigma 6 DragonHawk for anyone wanted to emulate the air cav idea.

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warzan

Boy they have got a bit pricey too!

They didn’t cost that when I picked them up 🙁

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redsarge

I could have got two of them for the price of a Leman Russ… if only I could see into the future. LOL!

The more I see the ‘drop fort’, the more the idea just seems all around rad. Could even use it for Starship Troopers by Mongoose Games, or Warpath or Deadzone.

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furios

Warzan just enjoys your toys in a good narrative game of 40K.
I agree with you it’s cool to add narrative to game with this kind of thiings.

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grimwolfuk

@warzan i think they have been withdrawn from the range that is why they are so pricey

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stusidle

I’m not sure I like the idea of looking at Lloyd’s “pole down below”!

You definitely need a ‘Schrodinger’s Guard’ rule; when you open the box you have to see if the troops are still alive or if you simply have guard soup dribbling out the front.

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bucketknight

Schrodinger’s Guard. Awesome! GW has to make that official. 😀

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bren24

Awesome, I started playing 40K first edition. Back then it was encouraged to go to your local hobby store & convert anything that would fit your imagination. I like that in a wargamen. Nowadays 40K is very limited in my opinion. I like the facht that you realy don’t care and still think out of the box. Happy Gaming

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zeker1966

Awesome @warzan! I like narrative gaming. It adds a lot of fun to the game imo.

I guess I just don’t understand Lloyd’s issue. It retains its toy functionality? If the functionality fits with the narrative you are trying for than great. I guess Lloyd would only be happy if it no longer does anything that it was originally designed for.

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rfernandz2001

You know, watching Warren enjoy the hell out of playing how he wants to play is infectious. If I were his opponent, I would also be having a great time. Interacting with the toy sled on the table and adding mouth sound effects adds to the fun that a game should be.

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stkelly82

100% chance that the men that deploy in those would refer to them as “Dead Sheds”. Or “Aluminum Coffins”.

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happyhowler

It’s a hell of a lot of guns for a “drop coffin”…

If you give them smoke launchers, make sure it’s not too heavily armoured as it starts to be really cheesy.

The idea is cool, though. Just don’t over-do it. 😉

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warzan

Agreed, it will be essential to get that balance between Shock and Awe and Awe F*** lol

Perhaps give the weapons their own unique profiles and special rules to tone them down?

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happyhowler

An automated weapon has a BS of 2 (so it hits on a 5) but can fired by a model in base contact with it in which case, you use that model’s profile. That’s a given. You’re two big missiles could be STR 8, AP 3, no blast, one-shot weapons (once they’re gone, they’re gone). Something similar is available as an option for pretty much all the tanks in the Imperial Guard army (and Space Marine’s if I remember right). The missile pod could fire anti-personnal ammunitions… Let’s say something along the lines of STR 4, AP 5, heavy 2,… Read more »

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warzan

Yup the Plan is to create Mini Dex’s for the two ‘strange’ detachments (Proteus and Air Cav)

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happyhowler

Ok… Let’s see. A drop pod is 35 pts and has a storm bolter and 10 man capacity.

– Transport capacity 20 men
– two heavy bolters (10 pts each)
– two one-shot missiles (10 pts each)
– a missile pod (let’s say 15 pts)
– smoke launchers (once use only, automatic on deployement)
– gives a cover save of 5+ once opened
– armour 11 all around

Somewhere between 80 and 100 pts, maybe.

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warzan

hull points?

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warzan

I’m also tempted to up the armour when closed vs open, what do you think?

And perhaps have a deep strike type rule (for a bad drop) loving the idea of schrodingers guard above lol

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happyhowler

Hull points? I’d go for 2 and keep the armor low to give a chance to your opponent (you already have the smoke launchers).

Once open, I’d treat it as a piece of terrain offering a cover save but every weapon could be treated as an artillery piece (T 7, W ?… the rules already exist) which could be targeted individually.

Or you could treat it as an open-topped immobilized vehicule with an armor of 12 all around and 3 hull points but then, you couldn’t hit the “passengers”… But you could destroy the weapons as per an ordinary vehicule…

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jerichosmith

Call them Mobile Firebases.

Or Corrals (Cav theme).

My only issue is the flip open needs a LOT of room, hate for it to clip a fig and take an arm off (or whatever).

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bothi

I like it. But it definitively needs some seats. They could be just like a beam on the side, so they don’t get in the way, when deploying the minis in the middle.

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bothi

Or the handles need to be up high on the sides. Imagine the guys standing on the middle ground holding on to a rail or handles on the sides over their heads. Like when driving a bus.

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deaddave

Can you imagine not letting go of the handles as it pops open, arms torn off, or if your lucky flung out screaming into the battlefield. Which causes the enemy to run away because they believe the imperium now fires its actual guardsmen at its enemies.

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bothi

Muahaha. That made me laugh harder than I’m willing to admit. Thanks for that image 😀

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d41ykj

I think there is a Commissar Cain story where he and the Valhallans have to stop a horde of orks from storming up the side of crashed spaceship into the hold. They have blown the side of the spaceship off to create a ramp and then have fortified the lip with heavy weapons etc. You pretty much have that in miniature there 🙂 especially with the rules for staying in coherency with the weapons teams. I think it works!

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deaddave

In my opinion, the guard would probably drop these by parachute. They would probably use the flyer to drop them off in less risky conditions to create forward defense posts etc. But I can definitely imagine the guard parachuting these in using a halo drop kind of technique. Parachutes would work quite well for rules as well, because it could randomise where it lands.

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jodain

These look really good. Personally I see the Elysian Drop troops (already from forge world) would use them alongside the actual drop troops. Think parachute troops and glider troops in WW2.

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jodain

Actually, just reminding myself, what you’ve got with the Dragonhawk looks and sound a lot like the Valkyrie Skytalon (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VALKYRIE-SKY-TALON_.html)

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warzan

It’s gotta be said the sky talon is a good looking ship 🙂

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jodain

That it is – if only I could afford one, along with a Venator.

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peachey

Dare I say…. I like @lloyd‘s idea of a box that drops with a single door…

@warzan, the unfolding one would be cool as a forward ops base….

🙂 nice job so far 🙂

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zorg

@warzan love the (vomit comet)? don’t see why it cant be deployed from the lander the undercarriage would take most of the force out of the landing plus like air dropped supply’s today have a disposable base to cushion loads which is replaced for the next deployment.
@Lloyd isn’t all the models technically toys if they look the part why not?

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smitty14

I’m thinking along the same lines as @peachy said. They unfold to be built on to after the battle and are converted to bunkers, command post, or other various buildings you’d have on a forward operating base.

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zoglin

The game has got to be fun or what is the point. “Drop Lander” is cool. A bit Orkish. However, it is not far off what was done in WWII.

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bucketknight

Love the brotherly bickering in this update. 🙂 The discussion is wonderful, but it’s all a bit pointless. You guys just want to play this vehicle in different ways, which you can.
@warzan is all for deploying forward and using the glorious assault strategy, while @lloyd is staying true to IG doctrine and likes to play defensively.
I think the choice of deploying forward or backwards is the main benefit to this vehicle. Actually it works in a similar way how some players use Space Marine assault vehicles.

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apeman

with warren all the way …..got 4 dustbins of kids toys (im a addict too)……if you got the imagination anything is possible …..and remember somebody sat down and dreamed up all the standard kit too ….its all sci-fi

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acrizer

As I said in the other thread, this is very much in the spirit of 40K as it was when I was introduced to it. Finding something cool, making something cool, inventing and being creative. So much of that has been lost over the years.

If you and your friends agree to have fun in this way, I’m 100% for it. Everyone just has to respect everyone else’s preferences (wouldn’t the world be better all around?).

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graeme

erm. They are all toys. We are grown men playing with toy soldiers.

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radegast6

sorry @Lloyd but @Warren is right here. drop pods dont have any armour when open too why you dont comment on that too in this case. Its veri Imperial guard to do it this way, no commmissar woud create drop container lak this closed because guardmen would use it as cover instead assault.;

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apocryphal

@warzan I think you might secretly be ‘Merican with the rate at which you glue ‘stand your ground’ pistols all over your IG builds. 🙂 My favorite is the cockpit pistol – is that really for the commissar when the pilot won’t open the door?

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dirtydel

I like Mobile Fire Base as the ID, it would be cool to use the term MFB’s while gaming; however, it’s not mobile if it can’t move on it’s own. Perhaps Deploy-able Fire Base (DFB)