Weekender: New 40k Content & The Age Of Sigmar Debate
July 11, 2015 by warzan
Welcome to The Weekender. In this episode we're delving into long forgotten territory with the potential of a Warhammer 40,000 show and you might have noticed we've just had an Infinity Week!
Warhammer 40,000
First up we'd like to welcome AJ to the team who will looking to ramp up the Games Workshop 40k content on the website. With that in mind we should be looking at Adeptus Mechanicus as our first target.
Infinity USAriadna Week
As well as that you might have noticed that we've been talking USAriadna all week with Carlos and Killian and so we have an extra chat with the mighty Spaniard himself about Infinity.
USAriadna Week
They guys also get chatting about Infinity at Gen Con 2015 and the Infinity RPG from Modiphius! There's plenty of awesome Infinity-ness to look forward too over the next few months.
Don't forget to check out the whole week on the link above.
Age of Sigmar
I don't think we can avoid Age of Sigmar really can we? We talk about the anger and (sometimes) joy surrounding the rules, the direction for the background and where we think the product as a whole is going down the line.
We also got some amazing Stormcast Eternal pictures sent in by the community and give our verdict on them. It's 'Tommie Soule' by the way...*shakes fist at the sky*
Competition Winners
Talking of an awesome community, you guys really went to town when it came to the competitions of late. We announced the winners for Demigods Evolution and the Infinity Boot Camp.
Watch out to see if you won.
This Weeks Winners:
Four Pro Painted Demigods:
Winner: Lasse
Infinity Operation Icestorm:
Winner 1: Nemesis00
Winner 2: Redsarge
Winner 3: Whiteape1
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Have a great weekend full of wargaming!
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Why do I have this awful feeling that I actually forgot to announce the winners on the show?!??!
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Ha, yeah you did.
Happy Saturday.
@dignity they are hand written on my show notes any chance you can add them to the post above when you are in later … pretty please?
The one you can’t read is m..u..l..t..i..f..i..s..h
Hmmm. Wouldn’t that be awkward if I actually had won :-/
I get to enjoy my BoW early today courtesy of my 21-month old daughter Amy who has had me up all night and STILL wanted to get me up at 6am 🙂
Can we have a filter to hide GW related content?
lol nope But it might actually be interesting now content levels are rising even further to see if we can personalise a bit and give more prominence to games you mark as your favourites It does dilute a bit of the community aspect though, where we are all exposed to the same view and can dialogue about that – so there is a trade off (and of course technical issues) I will try to keep any 40K content as generally interesting as possible if that helps though … And I gotta say I have been pretty blown away by AJ… Read more »
A personalise bookmark to tag my favourite games would be great.
Have you ever considered a RSS feed?
There’s an annotation menu after the BoW advert at the beginning of the video where you can skip to what you want to see. Use that.
I do love the work and content you guys do, it is truly great. I can only imagine how much work it takes behind the scenes. Just some personal feedback on the way the weekender has evolved over time… feel free to ignore this 🙂 Back when it was a show where you just had a bunch of guys get together, tea in hand and talk about the weeks gaming news for an hour I loved it. Would watch all the way through every week as if I wasn’t interested in the current topic I knew in 5mins or so… Read more »
Ah, never mind. Show still great and if new format gives you more time for BoW, then all the better all round. Rock on!
What? The new guy really looks like you. A younger version.
We cloned him 😉
He has BoW spirit coursing through his veins lol
Cloning is illegal. Have you not learned from Frankenstein about the dangers of rogue science?
ALEPH has made great strides in cloning. The Computer is your friend. Trust the Computer.
Welcome AJ! Can’t wait to see the content you’ll bring us!
Looking forward to seeing some 40k content, especially as you guys always look at making narrative games and great tables to play on.
There’s a surprise guest appearance from me in the episode! lol
Happy Weekend!
I personally will never play 40k, but the skittari have a little bit of my attention. So I’ll give the mechanics week a go, hopefully it’s as good as any of the other weeks that have come beforehand.
Glad to see BoW is starting up its 40k content again and hoping for great things from AJ,
welcome aboard fella.
Well played BoW 😉
And about time I’m thinking! 😉
good morning! hmpf I’m at work can’t watch, need to watch….
lets see BoW does its magic and gets me excited about 40k again. Maybe I need to dust off my Nurgle Marines.
Happy Gaming. Good to meet the newest member of the team. You guys should get on ancestry.com or something to see if there is a connection. I got what the ‘J’ stands for but out of interest what does the ‘A’ stand for?
It must stand for ‘Another’ 😉
(Or Andrew) 🙂
Spent the evening painting up some bolt action us army while watching all the coverage of infinity and the US ariadna may just hook me. The plunge is just a couple of clicks away.
You’ll probably fall in love with US Ariadna once you start Infinity. Got for it!
@warzan its great that you found someone for the 40k content, but what happened about replying by email to people (meaning me) who expressed interest in the 40k role? A reply would have been appreciated.
We haven’t actually finished the process yet @deaddave and are looking at options on articles and the likes for others.
So bear with us 🙂
Just briefly on AoS, my biggest issue is the rules are poorly presented and lead to dull games. The balance is secondary for me and the party games aren’t an issue for me.
Can you expand on the ‘dull games’ bit as I see a good amount of variety and interesting things in the warscrolls so far.
(I will admit that I’m 50:50 on the party games bit – I do enjoy acting the eegit but I also enjoy losing myself in the game and it’s nice when your in the zone for it to remain unbroken)
Because the rules have removed tactical movement (and rightly so IMO) and replaced them with nothing, the games involve the two sides getting sucked into the middle of the table and the game turns into a drawn out luck-based dice rolling contest (and yes, I’ve tried it). The rules badly need something added to them to change this so the scenarios can’t come soon enough.
The party games bit can easily be ignored if you don’t like them, and as you say, they won’t be around as the game matures anyway.
I thought Tuomas’ take on the rules was very perceptive and aside from his views on random charges (I don’t see any risk/reward there), I’m basically in agreement with his take on them.
So you reckon it’s a fundamental mechanic missing from the core rules that is a system wide issue rather than something warscrolls compensate for?
Very interesting, it does highlight the balance required between core mechanics and the ability to offload into unit special rules 🙂
Yes. It isn’t an insurmountable problem as things can be introduced, such as the scenarios or your own house-rules or homebrew scenarios, but ‘as is’ there is that issue with the core rules.
And changes will come (probably thick and fast based on their output capacity) I don’t think this launch has went badly at all when you keep in mind that we believe the rules will be ‘living’
I honestly wouldn’t like to say if it’s gone well or not. Time will tell. I can only say that for my part, I had my gaming budget and I was a willing audience for AoS but the rules lost me and it got spent on other things.
I have to agree with redben the issue is with the core rules as they are at present. At present your position on the battlefield and relative to the enemy is largely meaningless. With rules for flank, rear or terrain affecting combat the fun part of a war game ie thinking of a plan trying to execute it, problem solving and out thinking the enemy have been removed. Now both sides simply move together and start a melee when then sucks in everything near it. The next flaw then rears its head whilst warscrolls do affect what happens in combat… Read more »
If you write the “concept” of AOS down as a wishlist, it’d be awesome, but totally agreed on the core rules being not ready for public use due to presentation and how most games end up. (I literally have never played past turn 3 out of a handful of games so far.) The problem I have is that the Warscrolls, special rules and such have been written based on a ruleset with several inconsistent core rules, be it ambiguity or downright shortsightedness. It’s a game where you have a “core rule” that attempts to address balance (Sudden Death), but is… Read more »
I don’t think the new customers GW is after would show up for a “complimentary product” to a game they already don’t value. They wouldn’t buy-in to Fantasy before, why now (assuming an evolutionary Fantasy product)?
Honestly I agree that the barebones rules are a problem, but if they were to chip in another scroll or addendum to add something along the lines of front & back arcs a la Privateer Press, it might encourage some more tactical planning rather than “Mush em up in the middle, lads!” Especially if a flanked opponent got penalties for attacking if they are flanked. If they treat this as a sort of specialty game like Mordheim, I’m in!
Definitely a touch of the Weird Science, the BoW team fed old family photos into an archaic computer and out popped AJ.
Carlos is a very enthusiastic guy.
So where the Hell is the equivalent from GW, fronting up and cheerleading for their products?
I could see a mass migration to KOW2
At least the more persistent companies as Privateer Press, or enthusiastic small publishers as Corvus Belli or those open guys at Wyrd will get more attention now.
Saturday arvo, watching the weekender while putting together the Chaos faction from Age of Sigmar. Perfect start to the weekend!
Hello AJ, welcome to the BoW rabble, I mean community lol.
Great show guys. A lot of cool info from General Carlos. I cannot wait to grab some of the new stuff he was talking about. I am also excited about the Mechanicus week. I am not playing them but it can be interesting. I do agree with all that was said about the AoS. btw. I saw the movie with the guy burning his minis… sad.
Good show as always , nice to see the new guy settling in well. (Three peas in a pod comes to mind.) If I was to launch a new rule set, I would prefer to have people talking about the good points as well as what they are concerned about. (EG when Kings of War was launched , lots of people wondered what was missing , with the page count being so low.But after playing a few games lots of people thought it delivered elegant and intuitive game play.) GW plc release of A.O.S seems to only have 2 positive… Read more »
Can you guys do a complete beginners getting started, the rules is complex, and I would like to try my ASD lad with 40K, and don’t have an easily accessible GW shop
I got AoS in my hot little hands right now and the scenarios in the book list specific troops to be used for each side for each scenario. The scenarios are rather simple but seem to have a good variety. There is also “Warscroll Battalions” that are in effect full balanced armies you can choose. I think it is very clear, leafing through the book, that its not really geared towards “legacy” armies. If you choose to use the old unit warscrolls you will need to balance the forces yourselves. My overall impression is we are going to see LOTS… Read more »
Still not sold on the rules but if I don’t like them I’ll just use the minis in another system.
Welcome AJ. Looks like you will fit right in. @warzan is keeping us in suspense for the competition winners.
Weekend greetings. Looking forward to the 2nd part of the Infinity head2head!
Did anybody spot where the competition results were? – I missed them
Go back and reread the first comment.
Might give AoS a go today – will have a few games of infinity