Happy Sunday CoGs and OTTers!
I’ve backed a number Crowdfunding projects but I’m done with them now. I’ve probably painted a 3rd of the many miniatures I’ve got and played less than half of the games I’ve funded. I recently funded By Fire and Sword 2 and paid almost as much in postage as I did in minis. It looks great but…..Will I ever paint the minis? Will I ever play the game? Probably not.

@avernos for the white, doesn’t John have some gundam paint pens? Wouldn’t do they do the job?

Shay talks 40K,

You spelt ACW wrong

I’ve only backed 2 kickstarters Fire and Sword 2 and Gangs of Rome 2. Nearly quit the Fire and Sword one because of the endless emails and they started to annoy me and the pledge manager thing confused me

I’m mostly done with kickstarter. I now actually cancel pledges when the project gets too big. I don’t want a million miniatures. I don’t want to play a game that has a million miniatures. I don’t want a game that is so big that there is no retail shelf in the land big enough to stock it – so I have to have everything in the range now and find somewhere to store it. I also don’t want to have to pay £200 shipping for the privilege of that burden. The little guy is still out there, doing it the… Read more »

Mythic Games managed to kill kickstarter for me and I suspect many others. I could write a book on the scummy way they have treated the customers and even their own staff by all accounts. I wish it was near and end of my pain but we are being blackmailed again over wave 2 of the darkest dungeon after they promised once we paid the ransom fee for wave 1 would not have to pay more. The process with them caused stress and outright anger months and months of chasing them up. To this point I still dont know if… Read more »

I agree with Gerry and Warran, KS is a glorified pre-order system for most companies and most backers are just looking to get a good deal fast without looking for the success or the future of the project or the company. I backed the BattleTech mercenaries KS, because it gives me the chance to get the mechs and vehicles easily as I am not able to get them through my local game store and for the online store I buy on, it will take very long. This KS literally feels like a pre-order but the creators don’t want to give… Read more »

Kickstarter is what we as customers allow this platform to be. And it’s a perfect FOMO machine. I’ve stopped pre-financing the projects of large companies there and am only interested in projects that barely clear the hurdle to production – that’s what it was intended for. And I go the WARZAN WAY – I make my own hobby stuff things – inspired by you – thank you for that. Great show – great discussion – like that kind of content. Happy Sunday –

PS: On a side note Mythic Games – where the hell is my HEL

Happy Sunday XLBSers and COGz.

A bit of dirty down @avernos Gerry?

Modest you are so modest Gerry.

Shay that’s a compliment Gerry has he talked to you girlfriend !?!?

It’s all the pampered prats living off their family money that need a slap with reality to see the new game’s in their mind and think about the new figures/game.

Ooh Trench Offensive! As I have the WW1 Brits for A War Transformed, this is very relevant to my interests *showers upvotes on @warbossd*

Gerry give some to Ben he’ll paint them up for the guy?

Fab show guy’s.
I vote Gerry as the new crowdfund king ? squirrel.

The customer is always shite?

Happy Sunday. Thanks for the golden button, and I’m sorry Ben missed it, lol. Also congrats to the other two golden button winning projects. On the positive side for kickstarters I’ve backed a few smaller ones that are just looking to fun actual production or get the moulds made. Midlam do this often with their only stretch goal being one extra miniature that they’ve already planned for. The pictures of minis aren’t painted and often they are just the photos of the greens. It’s this kind of kickstarter I’m very much behind. Other examples would include the Folk Horrors, and… Read more »

00:00 Happy Sunday 01:30 Baby Gone 5 02:45 A billion suns with many scaly bits 09:45 fingernails and chalk boards 10:15 Battle the Boing Boing 11:25 something trippy… getting stoned together! 13:30 Scanning stuff? Oh noes! 16:00 fwiends! 16:40 I did what who know?! You can’t prove anything XD 19:45 that spaceship is pissing down on us! 21:40 … 22:00 @Shayott just sitting there and staring into the abyss. 27:00 HE SPEAKS! 30:00 the game is full of bugs 31:30 Industrie awards… like the one that Micro Art Studio just now got from 2022? (They’ve shown it on their facepage… Read more »

Great show. It is always difficult to avoid being continually negative when coming at these sort of industry commentary topics, but I for one absolutely lap it up. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Warrens editorialising on industry insights was the thing that drew me into Beasts of War right at the outset. On the topic itself I agree totally with Gerry’s assessment and have commented on ‘negative trends’ myself. The tragedy is, I don’t see anyway to fix the problem. As long as the platforms get their pound of flesh and you aren’t committing fraud or… Read more »

I agree with everything Gerry and Warren are saying about Kickstarter — its tabletop gaming space has been dominated by companies that are clearly well-capitalized enough that they shouldn’t really need Kickstarter at all. Another major problem I see with it is that it has become a closed system, with companies using tried and true marketing methods (lowballing the starting amount so they can say “funded in 10 minutes,” parting the game elements out into stretch goals, etc.) to the point that most Kickstarter campaigns are incomprehensible to anyone who’s not already experienced with the platform. Marketing solely to “superfans”… Read more »

Not watched the show, yet (my playstation doesnt have any sound on the websites videos so have to watch it on a tablet which is recharging) but think I agree with Gerry is as above, I do have two , both for Catalyst at the moment. Think it has become a pre-order outlet. In addition many have gone Kickstarter only, with no post retail (not the case with the Catalyst ones) as in general most of the potential buyers have brought it in the kickstarter and potential retail sales are slim to non existent. I know of one retailer who… Read more »

My favorite bit was when Warren said, “they’re hungry for it” as a pun on the food stuff and it totally flew over Justin’s head

Covid was the disaster for KS. Suddenly increases in freight costs bankrupted both projects and companies. Waiting it out only led to storage costs. I have at least four KS, two from Blacklist, and two from Mythic, which are pretty much a loss, and that’s $500+ dollars. (Of course, if you really want to lose money, try the stock market.) Except from “whitelisted” companies like CMON, Archon, and Reaper, I’m seeing fewer miniature-laden plasticrack KS projects, so maybe KS companies are no longer interested, either. Last year, the holiday retail sales were pretty darn good, and I’m not seeing why… Read more »

Good show and good grumble. Yes, I agree that Kickstarter has moved away from what it was meant for (or the people using it have, anyway). If I might add to the grumble: I’m severely annoyed by the amount of STLs on there and how much coverage such projects get in general. As far as I know, most people do not own a 3D printer and probably won’t for the foreseeable future.

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