Your NOT alone!

I am all about the fluff. With ‘Star Wars:Legion’ when a new model is released I see it as’ ” hurray another piece of the Star Wars universe has been made “, so now I can replicate ‘insert name of battle’ or re-creating a scene from one of the movies.

As far as 40k goes I stopped chasing Alpha Builds long ago. I buy models for 40k based on what will look cool in my Legions. Same for Age of Sigmar.

Even in Conquest I buy what looks good on the table. Although, I did buy at first what was recommended by the grow league here in OnTableTop.

Rule of cool is my only driving force in miniatures.

I’d say so, although in part it is the area where there is more discussion to be had, and that is a part of the hobby for many.  The trouble is it tends to drown out any other discussion and warp it, in general, something like legion for the non-tournament style game balance is good enough that it doesn’t warrant a discussion about rules issues or balance.  Tournament players though will always focus on efficiency, reliability, and optimisation and that would be true if there was only ever a 0.5% difference between every unit in a game.  That then gets broadcast as most podcasts, bloggers, and active people on social media are tournament players because talking about it is part of their hobby.

Another factor is there has been a certain amount of conditioning shall we say those coming to wargames from a non-historical angle tend to have, due to games where balance is such an issue that you can make genuinely “bad” purchases which can in any game mean you just get repeatedly smashed.  Therefore you get the just starting what’s  strong question, or is the new thing “good” because people want to avoid trap purchases so they can have a game where the result is not important but at least non-probable at the outset.  I won’t exclude myself from that group, as it used to be a concern. My perspective shifted though and now its more about the cool minis, or if I can see the unit has some interesting interactions and options on the table – not necessarily good but fun.

This is why I love stuff like the AMG bulletins, Moff Gideon while it is not the best sculpt IMO looks to be a fun and interesting piece.  Fire support could be interesting in Empire even if my playing with clones has made me aware I am really bad at using it, which has its own draw.  Looks to be that decent mid-range sith light option.  That and the fact the character is just a great bad guy.  My only pondering is if I get 1, 2, or 3 units of Darktroopers

Many moons ago we were playing a company level WW2 game (Grey Storm Red Steel) where the figure ratio was 1:1 (likewise with the tanks). We soon felt after looking at various ORBATs and typical company/battalion frontages during WW2 that our games would be best met by “nerfing” our armies so they typically the only AFVs were Armoured Cars and APCs (main battle tanks were just not typically seen UNLESS as part of an organised assault). So “gone” were the Tigers, and IS-1s, and “in” were the BA-64s, M3 Half Tracks and 222s and 251s. Typically an AFV has an impact by just being (mostly) impervious to small arms fire, and if they are shooting at infantry then they just going to be shooting with the MG (Note Hull MGs on tanks were pretty useless as the gunner usually had a small hole or periscope to aim through, couldn’t use iron sights, and basically had to walk the tracer rounds onto the target). So now without having your usual “arms race” where we see Tiger IIs appearing even in skirmish games, the lowly Armoured Cars and APCs armed with MGs became our “tanks” for the game (and were more historically accurate for the level of the game). A little bit of self control and the willingness to not HAVE to use the most technologically advanced pieces of kit on the table……and our games improved massively. Plus even bog standard infantry DO still have a chance against APCs and ACs if they get close enough and the player with the armoured units isn’t screening them with infantry (which again is the historical tactic).

Plus in other historical eras I’ve found games where you are using ORBATs forces you to use those “sub prime” units which players who play a pointed style tourney game would never take a look at. Finding a theatre in a period where BOTH armies are equally useless brings a whole new level of tactics to the fore (rather than just rolling dice at each other until one of the elite units is eliminated). Dealing with unexpected routs from units having just engaged in a single round of a firefight (due to bad dice rolls), brings a (realistic) level of chaos to the table where the players are effectively trying to “herd cats” while still attempting to achieve the battle/scenario goals.

Under achieving with your army list brings a whole new joy to the table top (plus you can both blame the troops when you lose 😀 ).

You’re deff not alone, mate. I much prefer to play a game for fun than for meta. Sure, I like balance in my games and not complete chaos, but when I get a new unit the only thing I usually do is check to see what the rules are for numbers. I got the Mandos for Legion for christmas and while I don’t have a playable army yet (I like the little fighting mans enough to just collect and paint) Legion is a game I wouldn’t mind playing in the future, so I wanted to make sure they were ‘usable’ units rather than ‘meta’.

Like @guillotine, I too am often given advise of ‘optimising’ my armies. I usually play 40k at the moment, so it’s sure annoying when I CAN’T win because of a meta that I don’t meet, but that doesn’t mean I want to be told what to buy to make my army better…what I have was expensive enough… My Bolt Action Brits, for example, I have built to a standard WW2 Platoon level, so 3 sections of 10 men, plus an officer with the Sergeant and the Radioman. I’m sure it’s not meta, but it’s what I want to play. I also refuse to shoot medics in Bolt Action because I don’t care if it’s a good ‘gaming’ choice to make, I just don’t think it’s right to do.

As I’m still currently in North America, I think the lack (at least from what I see in Southern Ontario) of gaming clubs drives the competitive nature of the hobby. Over here people tend to play to win in stores or tournaments, or they play at home with a few mates, so the only voices you hear are the one’s getting out there. The idea of a club where you more just hang out and are brought together by a shared hobby is much more of a European thing, I find, particularly with this hobby. A club is more likely to band together to play one big, fluffy game once or twice a year, and spend most of the rest of the time hanging out, discussing projects, ect. Two very different settings. A friendly game over a few beers and some pizza is much more my style. Honestly, I miss the idea of a space to just go an hang out with like-minded people…

I think the answer is rather simple one. Buying a model to paint or for a fluff reason is down to how we feel personally about it. It is a question we ask ourselves rather that one that requires someone else to re-enforce that logical decision. That is not to say people dont pose this question but often we do it in around about way.

It would seem odd saying “Do you think I would like this model”  say on discord. Normally someone would comment “I really like this model” then you get into a debate on the quality and looks of the model. Part of the reason people comment on it is to get a second view or to re-enforce a reason for buying it that is part of the fluff reason.

I would also suggest that not every question about how best to use the unit is really people trying to be meta. I can give you a personal example.

I have started in Team Yankee recently mainly because of the Red Dawn expansion from the fluff aspect. I like the film well the 1984 version the idea of replaying that on the table top is interesting. I have a basic idea of the units but i have no idea what I should be taking and if it is any good. A new unit came out this week Nona-S SP Mortar Battery so yes I have asked if this is a good unit how would you get the best out of it. Not because I am looking to create a Meta army and crush everyone.

But by the same token I dont want buy something that I am never goint to use or would not fit the army or playstyle it has. At the end of the day I want to play the game to a reasonable level. By that I mean, games are no fun for either person if I have a horrible fluff only list that gets totalled in the first round. Most people are looking for some balance if they are playing the games.

The process we go through buying models is not just one single aspect it is often a combination of factors, do I like this model, would it be fun to paint, can i use it in my army, would this make my army better on the table top. We are all different and the reason we buy one model over another is not always the same.

I think a video on exploring the process and the reasons we buy a model would be interesting.

Maybe some guy on that video platform could have a stab…