Sorry but after my experience with Star Saga (and the poor quality of the expansions), I’ll not touch another Mantic KS again. Looks like this one has been going backwards of late (more an issue with timing with the Definace KS as well as the Bones KS going on at the same time). Not saying this will be a bad game (heard many positives about TWD and HB), but Mantic can be a bit erratic at times, and seeing as this one isn’t going to hit big, got a gut feeling this one is going to end up on the “backburner” like Star Saga did (with Mantic fulfilling the Terrain Crate KS BEFORE Star Saga, even tho the Terrain Crate KS was launched AFTER the Star Saga one) 🙁

I’d like to know how Mantic’s supporting Dungeon Saga, myself. I’m sure Mantic will continue to support Walking Dead and Kings of War, but dunno about them having two duneoncrawler lines.

Anyway, Gloomhaven is enough semi-coop for me. The game doesn’t really have any backstabbing, but don’t you dare pick up the Loot token I had my eye on! (:

Well they didn’t support Star Saga after release (rather treated it as the red headed stepchild). a lot of backers weren’t happy with the second wave minis (those in the expansions) that had soft detail. Even Mantic themselves weren’t happy and said they wouldn’t use that factory again (although this didn’t stop them shipping the “bad” miniatures to backers as fulfilled). Was really let down with Star Saga, and Mantic’s continual rolling KickStarters means they don’t tend to support games continually as they do with Kings of War. On the games with a bought in IP they have to move fast (for example the one with Topps for Mars Attacks timed out, and other than the remnants of stuff in the warehouse you’ll not see them being produced again). So with TWD and Hellboy they tend to prioritise them on releasing stuff (from past experience), stuff that’s their own IP they might let slide….

But wondering if the KS bubble has finally started to burst, no longer are we seeing multi-million pound KS schemes funding as much as we used to……perhaps companies (such as Mantic) that rely on KS (hard to believe they’ve done 18 KS schemes so far) might need to look elsewhere for generating interest and marketing AND restoring customers faith that the game will be supported down the road (and players who were not around at the time of a KS can still buy into the game).

Don’t get me wrong, Mantics first KS Dreadball is still a firm favourite (and was a runaway success on KS for the time) and is still played regularly. But they do seem to skip between projects and you have to treat them as a “flash in the pan release” when it comes to their own IP (although I do feel they support bought in IPs as it’s such an investment for them they HAVE to keep the ball rolling). But recently with Mantics own IPs it’s risky if they continue to support it past the KS releases (Dungeon Saga could have been SO much more). I’ve got Dungeon Saga, and Star Saga, but these weren’t really supported past the initial launch (which made me wary of going in for another Mantic Dungeon crawler).

The competition from other KS schemes is probably the primary reason why this one struggled (rather than the product itself), but then there’s so many KS schemes launching these days that the “big boys” of KS schemes are always going to be stomping all over the little guys (although Reaper surprises me with their Bones line as they are a small company).