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June 5, 2019 at 9:59 pm #1400601
… well, you guys already know what was happening. It’s just short of 17:00 here, so it’s 22:00 UK time, and the transports for US 82nd, US 101st, and UK 6th Airborne Divisions (main assault jumps) undergoing final preps for take off (22:30 by my information). The Pathfinders have probably been in the air for some time already.
After a flight over the Channel, the drops start about 00:30 hours local, early on the morning of June 6 (about 2.5 hours from time of this post).
Thought I would share this message, sent to all the troops in the hours before the fateful moment. I believe there are also recordings of Eisenhower’s radio address on YouTube:
June 5, 2019 at 10:07 pm #1400602I found a clip of it for anyone else wanting to search for it. It is a special piece of history.
June 5, 2019 at 10:22 pm #1400603June 5, 2019 at 10:31 pm #1400610Thanks for keeping vigil with me, guys. 😀
We’re also building a pretty detailed game of Panzer Leader to mark the occasion, showcasing part of 50th Northumberland’s landing on Gold Beach, 07:20 hours, June 6.
The game will recreate 231st Brigade’s landings at Jig Green and Jig Red, vs. elements of German 352nd Infantry Division (916th GR) and 716 Static Division (726 IR, “East” Battalion 441).
The game will play live at 16:00 UK time Saturday.
June 5, 2019 at 11:14 pm #1400613I hope you don’t consider this intrustive, @oriskany , but there was something I find important that I’d like to add. Eisenhower’s use of the term United Nations is a bit more far reaching than many people may think. As is typically known, the ‘main’ nations present on D-Day, and the campaigns in Normandy that followed, may have been the U.S., U.K., and Canada, but many others took part as well. The French were present not just as Resistance fighters, but as the Free French Army and even Commando units. There were also Dutch, Poles, Czechoslovakas, Danes, Greeks, Belgians and even Australians and New Zealanders. While the ‘smaller’ nations may not have contributed as much as the U.S. or Britain it’s important to remember that it truly was a joint effort to pull off the largest seaborne landing in history.
June 5, 2019 at 11:48 pm #1400614Lots of Dakotas in the skies over East Anglia today, absolutely awesome.
A buddy of mine is camping on Omaha Beach tonight with his son. I wish I could be there..
Lest We Forget
June 5, 2019 at 11:55 pm #1400615Absolutely nothing is intrusive, @crazyredcoat . Today and tomorrow, on those days of all days, the whole idea was to start a conversation. 😀
We did the Canadians some serious justice in 2014 when we re-created, in total, the WHOLE of the Juno beach landing in Panzer Leader. The game took 12 hours over three days. Second highest casualty rate among the five beaches, if I’m not mistaken.
June 6, 2019 at 12:07 am #1400616@suetoniuspaullinus – Indeed that would be awesome. I was there for the 70th, if not the 75th. From my trip to Omaha …
Dog Green Sector, looking up at Vierville draw, first hit by 116th RCT, 29th Infantry.
Able Company, the first company of this Regimental Combat Team, took over 90% casualties in the opening of the attack. Three Virginia towns basically lost their male population of that generation, right on this spot.
June 6, 2019 at 12:15 am #1400623Depending on which time zone we’re using (daylight savings or not, etc), it’s now 19:14 here. That makes it 00:14 in the UK. In two minutes … (00:16 local) Major Howard’s “Horsa” glider hits the ground at Pegasus Bridge. The monument now stands to mark the spot where his glider hit, astonishingly close to the target bridge. In this photo I tried to get the angle Howard would have seen as he first looked at the bridge. Of course the bridge that stands there now is an enlarged replacement, it wasn’t night, and no one was shooting at me. 🙂
June 6, 2019 at 1:54 am #1400636Great thread @oriskany
It’s currently about 2:30 Normandy time which mean the 82nd Airborne are getting into action right about now.
As the Normandy Landings were taking place three years of incredible British organisation were put into action. Hundreds of French Resistance Groups were mobilised to blow up train tracks, cut telephone wires, tear down road signs, demolish trees to block troop movements, launched suicidal attacks to distract German units and a whole number of other things to slow down the German response to the Landings.
Lindybeige has a very good video on the French Resistance and touches on their role on D-Day
@crazyredcoat you’re absolutely right about the minor Nations. The Australian’s were all in the RAF and RN (2500 and 500), Danes were very common in the Commando’s, Czech’s were mostly in the RAF since Karel Janoušek (Sabaton has a song about him called “Far from the Fame”) brought trained pilots to the UK after Czechoslovakia fell, Poles had entire Corps in the British Army and lots more.
It’s a bit after D-Day (about a month and a half) but there’s an old Series on Youtube about Operation Goodwood which actually has Colonel Hans von Luck who commanded part the German Defenders (his book “Panzer Commander” is very good) giving the German side of the Operation. The series is actually quite good since it has a lot of German and British Officers from all levels giving their own stories. In Pt. 3 at about 25 minutes a British Tank Commander (Major Bill Close) talks about leading his Tanks into Combat that is very interesting when we look at things like Flames of War or one of @oriskany‘s Company Level Hex and Counter Games.
June 6, 2019 at 3:23 am #1400650We are currently warming up the home theater and buttering the popcorn in order to watch two movies.
First just the beginning of ‘Saving Private Ryan’.
Second we’ll watch the Hollywood classic ‘The Longest Day’. I know it has flaws but I’ve watch all of the documentaries on DDay so many times that I just want to watch this classic movie.
I used to celebrate DDay every year by going to the US Paintball game called ‘DDay Oklahoma’. About 4000 paintball player would show up for a week of mini games and then on Saturday play out the landings. 800 acres of land with high cliffs that the German players would perch on top of and assault the Allies as they crossed a pond in plywood landing craft. It took a special player to willingly join the ranks that attempted those landings over and over again.
I was proud to be apart of the 82nd Airborne as the CSM of the 325th GIR (Glider Infantry Regiment). The players at the beach started at about an hour after daylight, (safety reasons) while the US 82nd All Americans and the 101st Airborne units would load up in duce-and-a-halfs before daylight and be driven far out into the woods and a crossed dry river beds to be dropped in mass sometimes and other years we were kicked out in small groups to simulate winds breaking up the groups. We were always prevented from seeing where we were going. We spent the week before the big game learning the area from maps and a handful of walk thru trips. It was our job to make it to the backside of the landing areas to pull German players from the cliff defence. There was a Pegasus Bridge, St. Meregles and Caen all to be taken or held. During the week in the evenings we’d listen to radio broadcast recreations from June 44. Sometimes a veteran of DDay would arrive and talk with us about what he saw or felt that night and day. It was powerful to hear those words from a soldier of that battle. We always tried to honor all the men that are there that day at that battle.
I could go on, but the movies are about to start.
June 6, 2019 at 5:42 am #1400657Well, its 05:30 “local” time now, H-Hour -60 minutes. I’ll be asleep when the first American seaborne landings take place at Omaha and Utah Beach. I actually wouldn’t mind staying up all night on this but I sadly have to work tomorrow.
For the WWDDC project myself and @chrisg undertook (along with about 20 other community members – fighting 20+ wargames all across the invasion zone) – I made a humble effort at creating Dog Green in 15mm. The system was an upgraded Axis & Allies 15mm miniature.
Again, this is four years ago when I was still getting into miniatures more or less for the first time.
Table was about 5 feet on a side. Not the best. But it got the idea across.
I was a little pleased with the cardboard scratch-built 15mm LCVP “Higgins” boats. Built four of these more or less in a couple of hours. I decided not to paint vomit on the decks.
The “wiederstandnester” bunkers were a little stop-gap … and honestly were “designed” (if that’s the word) more to resemble the bunkers from the movie Saving Private Ryan more than how German bunkers were actually layed out on the Vierville Draw.
German 88s (FlaK 36s) and scratch-built x4 20mm positions overlook antiboat pilings and “Czech Hedgehog” beach obstacles.
Elements of 1st Bn, 116th RCT, 29th US Infantry hit the beach at 06:30 local. Good news and bad news on the table … the Germans have hit one of the Higgins Boats with a direct mortar strike, but the DD Shermans have rolled much better than they performed historically, and a few of them have actually made it to the beach. Historically, only a handful made it of the lead battalion of 55 machines. The infantry were thus left with no tank support against German bunkers, MGs,and heavy weapons fire coming straight off the crest of that bluff.
That’s a lot of open sand to cross before they reach the sea wall running along that road.
Clear the murder holes!
Of course, it looked rather different for the people who were actually there. One of the VERY few photos to survive from the actual bloodiest of all Normandy beaches has since been titled: “The Jaws of Death.”
June 6, 2019 at 5:58 am #1400658Thanks, @elessar2590 – yeah Goodwood was a mess. There’s literally an article series (or books, there have been thousands written on this) about what the actual Allied plan was AFTER the landings. Spoilers, it was just about the opposite of what actually happened. The Americans were supposed to fix the Germans in place and pivot to Cherbourg while the British made the breakthrough on Paris. Naturally, almost the opposite happened (Monty pompously claiming that was his plan all along, because … Monty), and a big reason the British got hung up so bad was battles like Goodwood. And Epsom. And Bluecoat. And a bunch of others prior I can’t remember off the top of my head (all named for British racehorses of the day).
Goodwood was actually a major disaster for the British. Not only did it fail to break the positions around Caen but also marked the last time the British were able to mount ANY kind of operation without massive support from the Americans (i.e., Market-Garden, Varsity, others). These battles around Caen, culminating in Goodwood, just cost them too much.
We should also note that a full HALF of the “British” 21st Army Group was Canadian Second Army. Again, largely due to Goodwood and other associated battles.
Was the Polish Corps still in Italy, attached to Eighth Army? Pretty sure it was Poles who finally cracked Monte Cassino after pretty much everyone else failed (@redvers has some great projects about this ongoing for some time).
From my travels in Normandy I learned that another big contributions the Danes made to Overlord was with small craft at sea. Minesweeping, close-in beach support, landing ops and logistics, helping set up the Mulberry harbors, screening against possible U-boats, etc.
Those D-Day observances sound amazing, @templar007 . A few years ago we had a great campaign here on the site where we had players in nine countries all fighting different wargames in different systems (US, UK, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Belgium, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand). The results were tabulated and put on a campaign map in real time, so our own version of D-Day played out in real time. Man, it was a lot of work, but definitely work it. Probably one of my favorite memories of the community.
The Longest Day is great. It has a few issues, sure, and some (ahem) cartoonish performances … but is actually more accurate than Saving Private Ryan in a lot of ways. A LOT of ways.
June 6, 2019 at 1:22 pm #1400839British forces landed about 30-45 minutes later then American forces, because their beaches were further east where the optimum tides came a little later in the day. Gold and Sword Beaches were hit by 50th Northumberland and 3rd Infantry, while Juno Beach was hit by the 3rd Canadian Division. Royal Marine Commandos were also there (47th at Gold and 48th and Juno- I’m not sure of the exact unit on Sword but I’m sure they were there).
The monument at Sword Beach (just north of Caen) from our trip there for the 70th Anniversary in 2014.
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