@mage Too dark or too good is definitely bad, but then these are superheroes. A bit black&white morality isn’t exactly weird in this genre

And it wasn’t Lois … the movie did a really terrible job at explaining anything.
The one thing that annoyed me the most was the distance (or rather lack thereof) between Batman’s city and Superman’s.
It was as if they were across the river from each other, which is kind of odd because I figured one was somewhere in Kansas.

Batman’s drinking is another. It is so flippin’ subtle you could miss it. And that’s with everything to his character arc within this movie. At least with Superman we have his entire previous movie.

And then there’s the stuff that may have been explained in comics. I don’t know anything about the comics in which either of these characters were used or why the heck any of them live in the same world/universe. Marvel’s movies managed to make the link better and less odd with the help of the post-credit scenes and subtle stuff like Stark’s father (? ) in Capt. America.

Here’s a question that the movie didn’t answer : what was Wonder Woman doing there anyway ?
It probably depends on plot points from her own movie (assuming it was released before BvS ?)

Oh … and can we talk about the WW costume or how she isn’t introduced (I think?) so it relies on previous movie to set her up?
Her costume is fine for pulp era or classic golden era superhero variants.
That really did not fit in this dark gritty setting.  You’d think she would have chosen something a little more practical than a skirt, a shield, bracelets (?) and those leg guards.

Executive meddling kills everything. It sucks when the suits are too greedy/lacking in confidence/risk-averse that they feel the need to ‘fix’ stuff that doesn’t need fixing and change stuff that needs fixing by breaking it.

Capt. Marvel also shows evidence of this … and the less said about Suicide Squad the better, although that was a trainwreck before they tried to fix it.

I hadn’t thought about how the previous Batman series devolved, but it definitely makes sense.
Maybe Marvel learned from that mistake and tried to make it more coherent ?
Or maybe they didn’t have to do much, because the source material had done the work already ?

Are DC’s equivalents to Marvel always copy-cats ?
Or is Marvel simply better at creating their material ?