Towering Knights On The Horizon For Warhammer 40,000
February 17, 2014 by brennon
Not to be outdone by Warhammer Fantasy there have been some leaks concerning the next steps for Warhammer 40,000 surfacing on the internet. See what you think of these mighty Imperial Knights originally sourced from 40k Radio...
These Knights, the Paladin and the Errant are part of a new codex that brings these super heavies to the battlefield. I was looking at these to begin with and almost immediately dismissed them but I think that on closer inspection they aren't too bad. The Knight Paladin is certainly the better looking of the two in my opinion but both are very ostentatious.
As well as the Imperial Knights there is also a selection of Imperial Guardsmen on the way including a new tank, plastic Stormtroopers and plastic Ogryns, now called 'Bullgryns'. The Legion of the Damned is also getting itself a digital codex so you can use these flame wreathed Space Marines as their own force I imagine.
On the rumour front 7th Edition is also touted for later on this year and a very plastic-centric release of the new Space Orks.
It's certainly looking like this new schedule of releases for Games Workshop could see both sides of the hobby being bolstered quickly.
Do you like the Imperial Knights?
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These… are… gonna… sell.
Mind you, they will also allow me to use the awesome Dream-forge Leviathans 🙂 http://dreamforge-games.com/products/1-100-15mm-scale-leviathan-crusader
I was watching an old weekender where you showed one of these off and you were all talking about the Knights in the law and how they should be put in the game. Maybe W are through all your old weekenders for tips.
Funny how so many people habitually call out GW for their shoddy rules, yet it’s the rules they get “excited” over, whether it’ll be a 3rd party mini of their choice or the official GW mini they’ll play with it.
Shouldn’t it be the other way around? A cool GW-model with some DreamForge (or whatever) rules?
It can go either way of course.
But when you take the number of any particular model sold (GW will by far sell the most), if you want to have something a bit different, it’s probably more simple to base anything you create of a non GW model to start with.
As for rules and ‘habitual call outs’ I suppose that’s down to the individual. For most people, I think they get excited about buying something cool and using in battle with their friends. 🙂
That seems a bit paradox.
If most people get excited to buy something cool for battles with their friends, saturation of GW kits can hardly be a problem. How many GW Knights can there be in a local group of friends?
If differentiation from the market leader’s product is the goal, it surely only matters for the most far-travelling perpetual tournament player and globe-trotter.
No?
erm. no
Some folk just like to have something different from their friends or the other chaps down the club.
“If differentiation from the market leader’s product is the goal”
That’s not the goal, having something cool and that you like talking about or showing off is the goal.
If that’s an official model that you have customized or painted really well, than that ticks the same box.
Fair enough, but if it’s just about “showing off a cool model”, why do you need GW rules for it? Doesn’t answer the paradox really. Simply speaking, GW produces 4 types of products 1. Citadel Hobby stuff and paints 2. Citadel (and FW) miniatures 3. Black Library novels and books 4. Games Workshop rules By most peoples account, the rules-part is the “weak-link” there and the “worst” quarter in GW’s offerings. And yet, the cool kits all buy DreamForge and Puppet Wars, paint it with Vallejo, read some non-BL fiction, yet remain “anchored” in the hobby by GW-rules? It’s just… Read more »
I use my GW minis in GW games. I am not one of the cool kids 🙁
Catastrophic exclusion of the negative in that sentence lol. I use my GW minis in non-GW games is what it should have said lol
“why do you need GW rules for it?” A: Because your friends down the club are playing 40K and you would like to get a game in? “By most peoples account, the rules-part is the “weak-link” there and the “worst” quarter in GW’s offerings.” A: I think this is nonsense really, ‘most people’ are playing 40K and loving it “But if you buy a DF Leviathan now (!), triggered by GW’s new Knight rules (!), but wouldn’t have bought one, no matter how cool it is, without GW Knight rules, it ends up making for an odd upside-down conundrum” A:… Read more »
Possibly
Maybe I’ve just read too many “40K is broken” discussions ;O
“Maybe I’ve just read too many “40K is broken” discussions”
I don’t know IMHO, a game is a game, players are broken.
40K is a game not a sport…
sports tend to have simple rules to enable an easy and clear cut method of picking a winner.
games, can have loose frameworks to allow players to act out interesting scenarios and action moments.
Priestly set out to create a cool game, not a sport. So why would anyone be surprised when its better suited to acting out a cool movie like moment, than to cleanly awarding a title or trophy to a player.
:S
I don’t know why. But (at least based on the possibly biased sample of net-conversation), there seems to be a lot of discontent about the “game” that 40K is. I (perhaps advisably) tend to take it for granted, that 40K is widely considered to be “bad” game (at least on the internet). The tiny minority of “competitive players” aside, most people tend to agree that some games are “better” than others, and few people these days seem to come out forthrightly saying that 40K is a “good game”, possibly a “superiour game” to those offered by companies like PP/Mantic/Corvus Belli/etc…… Read more »
I meant “perhaps in-advisably”
OK how do I put this mmm… I think part of the issue is this. 40K is a great game owned by a not so great company (God here we go) 40K has a huge range of amazing models, interesting rules and special rules and has tons of support systems like the painting system etc – what’s not to like! The Company though have over the years perhaps soured the experience a little. A disconnectedness krept in where the company has perhaps lost touch with its most vocal fans. Seth Godin (I like his stuff) writes about ‘Tribes’ and that… Read more »
If only there were evidence on these very comments for people seeing a cool GW mini and thinking about what other game they might use it in….
I use GW minis for my Dungeon Crawling collection 🙂
I’ve seen them used numerous times in Kings of War and God of Battles.
Even if the premise is accepted that most people consider the rules to be substandard, which is far from proven, even then, it’s still a mistake to equate rules, minis, and IP as being equally appealing/important. For most people, the opportunity to game in the 40K universe is the most appealing part of 40K. By and large they will do this with the official minis as those minis are designed specifically for this. When other companies produce minis designed for 40K then some players will incorporate those minis too, especially when they fill a need that GW do not (usually… Read more »
Yeah. But the Deadzone-hack you talk about kinda make sense (to my perhaps wrong biases).
Deadzone, by and large, is a good set of rules with (IMO) sub-par miniatures, at least compared to GW, and a somewhat generic background.
GW in turn has (IMO) superiour miniatures and background. A 40K-Deadzone hack works, because it complements each other, cancelling the “weakest spot” of either side.
The “Knight-Paradox” is almost the inverse. It’d be more akin to using 40K rules with Deadzone Miniatures and Background.
Maybe I could have been clearer. There is a hierarchy of appeal which goes (very) roughly like this – 1) IP 2) Minis 3) Rules The IP is the most important. People attached to the IP will primarily seek to game within it. Most people who are fans of 40K are attached to the IP. Minis are the next most important as as GW produce a wide range of minis specifically for use in gaming the IP and in physically representing the IP, the most fans will use those minis either exclusively or primarily. Other companies cannot replicate the IP,… Read more »
@redben oddly enough when I sat down to write my own rules I 100% intended it be used as rules to play 40K fluff games. The fluff is the king. But it’s rare when someone sits down to play a game and it’s just about “fun” – though you may have set out to do that, or claim such. Competitive natures always come and wake their sleepy heads :p If it’s all about fun then we’d let our opponents get away with all sorts of silly sh*t and bend over and take it up the ###. Instead we say “hang… Read more »
This is something other than what I was getting at. I am not saying that an attachment to the IP means people play for fun. Far from it. I am saying that an attachment to the IP overrides the quality of rules for most people, and that the rules need be no more than competent, even for tournament play, for those with an attachment to the IP to use them, even if their primary goal when playing is to win the game. There is a separate discussion to be had on the effect of a ruleset which is incompetent for… Read more »
I disagree, although you do make a valid point about players putting up with rules they are unsatisfied with, as long as the IP appeals to them. Personally, I enjoy the tactical side of tabletop gaming, and therefore the order of priority is firmly fixed in the rule set. My initial attraction to a game is through the minis but if the rules are unappealing then I won’t be playing. Finally, I often create my own fluff to support the choices I make in terms of which factions I play in games, and even the choices of which mini’s to… Read more »
Without meaning to get into the discussion I said wasn’t appropriate to pursue here, 8th ed WFB is a good example of what happens when a game is incompetent for tournament play. This is a separate issue to the original question I was addressing, which was why do people complain about the rules yet use alt minis in the game rather than vice versa.
When I read Mechanicum I had the size of these Dreamforge models more in mind than the actual size of the Knights. I definitely would love to see them on the table together, the aesthetic definitely matches.
Cheers to you and Wayland Games…. I owe all of you a pint at the very least.
http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=6e697ea61cafd03a718e99086&id=4c7daa9557&e=312101b11b
Yeah, I’m tempted too. I’ve managed to resist the new dwarves (wtf is with that airbus???), but this reminds of the old school 40K. You know, back when it still had a soul
I so, so, sooooo want to paint one of these.
I’m having another “no way am I getting into 40k but I really want one” moments.
Yeah stuff the expense; I’ll be getting one of these.
Damn you nostalgia!
My un-painted pile is about to get a new addition.
These were a given, ever since the leviathan crusader appeared. GW need to compete or lose the market to dream forge models……Been waiting for them.
I like both of those, and I’m not usually fan of 40K stuff or GW’s big plastic kits. I wonder if they’d be suitable proxies for a colossal.
Bullgryns? The random adjective-noun smasher at GW has gone crazy! lol
No thanks, this is getting ridiculous.
And I even liked Adeptus Titanicus. Why not bring that back?
I’m thinking warjack all blown up in size…
I’m thinking cygnar…
I’m thinking privateer Press…
Granted I have gotten back into 40k as of recent, it still doesn’t change the fact
GW can rip off design and even paint scheme all day long. 40K will never play as smooth
as warmahordes even on a bad day in the Iron Kingdoms.
Don’t hate the player hate the game 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1N0NLykLyQ
I see Privateer Press owning GW out right one day,
All GW fan boys come to the darkside we have cookies…
I’m fairly sure that this design and concept existed before Privateer Press thought about Warjacks. It’s essentially a scaled down Titan. The Blue and Gold colour scheme is also the one used by the Ultramarines, which were around before Cygnar were as well. While yes, it does look like a big Cygnar Warjack, and yes, Warmahordes is a decent game I don’t think you can call out GW for copying someone considering this kind of aesthetic and look existed in their fluff long before PP. If anything you call them out for nicking some of the ideas from Dreamforge’s Leviathans.… Read more »
I think @dawnpatrolchapter means the idea of using extremely large minis such as colossals not the idea or concepts behind the model.
Thank you in a joking manner that is what I was pointing out game design and paint scheme was a plus.
As per usual you will have directed in another way though.
No Biggie I am still gonna call it on this one that’s why I referenced video
Certainly wasn’t having a go – and the reply I wrote just happened to be before you posted the video, so, my mistake on that part. I can see what you mean about them scaling up the game which has happened in the same time frame as Privateer Press and the Colossals. I guess if the rivals are going big, you have to go bigger. On the whole the main thing for me to take from it is that it’s competition, and it shows it’s working. Competition drives the industry, in fact, any industry, and if Privateer and GW are… Read more »
I doubt that it was. GW have a long lead time from conception to release and the switch to large kits dates back a few years. Throw in the release of Apocalypse a few years ago as well, and these types of minis were inevitable.
@brennon I don’t have a side either and my jabs at this, is light hearted and good natured. However I did predict 3 years ago that GW was gonna take a back seat to Privateer Press based on how the game warmahordes is played and how it feels in contrast to 40k. So it is only natural for me to get excited when I see solid signs of this happening… When the things like this happen it is the gamers that benefit as well as the industry as a whole. If I was a Privateer Press employee I would be… Read more »
This design has been around since the 80s dude. Knights existed in their books, and in their other 40k games like EPIC. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Knight#.UwH6yEJ_vgQ Why don’t you read that before flying PP flag. Because it be the same if GW fanboys just plastered your news with predating steampunk franchises.
Not in standard play and not as a center piece model designed to further tactics GW is playing catch up to Privateer Press.
Look I have multiple Armies in both games I am only being honest in what I see. I feel my opinion is well placed this time.
i think it’s something “everyone” knows, that PP ripped off GW in the design (aesthetics) department for “mechs”.
But that’s fair enough. They made them their own.
@dawnpatrolchapter What does it matter that it isnt in the main game? The point you made was “GW can rip off design and even paint scheme all day long. 40K will never play as smooth as warmahordes even on a bad day in the Iron Kingdoms”. Since the design has been round for longer than PP has even existed I hardly see how they are ripping them off. Its like saying the spacemarine game ripped of Gears of War because GW never made a third person shooter before. The design is Gothic scifi, which is consistent with all of their… Read more »
Actually, the design for the Imperial Knight has been around for donkeys years, and the miniatures were introduced in Titan Legions back in 1994, so I think it’s actually the other way around here, if anything. Anyway, I actually quite like these minis. They’re a good approximation of the old plastic ones from Titan Legions, and that’s always a good thing- its kinda nice that they’ve stuck with the old design. I’m also looking forwards to the Orks release – not so much for new minis, but because the Ork codex just doesn’t work in current edition 40k, which has… Read more »
Once again game design look guys don’t fear the reaper all things have a start, a middle, and the end.
Privateer Press will dwarf GW eventually provided they keep there eyes on the war game and not be distracted by lesser side projects.
@laughingorc
I fear the new ork codex due to the fact I do very well with the old one I ranked 4th last tourney I was in PM your list let me give it a look over for ya. No need to boycott just change tactics , 🙂
Cygnar was the first thing that passed through my mind, hence my colossals musings.
Though I don’t mean to imply that GW are ripping off PP.
Games Workshop used to make an awesome game called Epic. In that game, there were units called Knights. These new models are GW bringing Knights back into the 40k universe.
All of this happened long before Privateer Press existed, much less warjacks.
Coincidentally, Mike McVey helped design a lot of Privateer Press’ warjacks. Mike used to work for Games Workshop before he worked for Privateer.
PP bigger than GW? Pppffftt, thats like saying Go-Bots are going to be bigger than Transformers.
@amankhan
I’m aware of all that
Sorry, my reply was meant for @dawnpatrolchapter
looks really nice, I’m far more intrested in the Ork’s…..
Any idea on the size of these things in inches and how they compare to the dreamforge leviathan or PP colossal?
GW Trygon (see pic) 6.5″ RRP GBP 36,-
GW Wraithknight (plastic) 9″ RRP GBP 70,-
DF Leviathan (28mm) 8.5″ RRP GBP 95,-
DF Leviathan (15mm) 4.5″ RRP GBP 46,50
PP Colossal (Conquest) 9.3″ RRP GBP 97.50
GW Knight (all rumoured) ~7-8″ RRP GBP 85,-
Models more expensive than GW? Ohh the horror!
It is very gratifying to see nods to the classic designs of Knights from the old Space Marine and Epic days. Interestingly, the Knight Paladin reminds me particularly strongly of the early artwork for Warlord titans from that period, even more so than the Knights from back then. Obviously very much scaled down, but the leg design, the head, the carapace, the banner, the way the weapon systems depend from the shoulder mounts, and even the colour scheme all seem to hark back to that era. Since I always rather liked that design, I am rather pleased about this. I… Read more »
The paintjob makes seeing it as a Cygnar colossal pretty easy. I think with a different colour scheme it could just as easily do for a Khador or Menoth colossal, maybe even one of the Merc colossals.
A good point. The blue definitely reminds me of Cygnar, but at the end of the day this is an awesome giant humanoid battlebot – as such, it could easily be used for other Warmachine factions with the correct colour scheme, just as, with a little work, one could modify a Warmachine Colossal to use as a different class of Knight. I think that the Khador Colossal could make a nice base for a Knight Castellan convesion, for instance
And the PP fan boys come out sorry guys I like the mini’s for warmahordes but the Rule set sucks it improved from MK1 but the rule set just dose not do it for me.
PP might dwarf GW or it might start a decline as another game comes out and makes them shrink only time will tell GW has proven it self through all the doom and gloom and has survived 25+ years.
I personally would like to play a Anime mech styled game. The game systems I do have are
Dropzone commander
Heavy gear
Infinity
40k
fantasy
blood bowl
BFG
Babylon 5
Battletech
Hordes
X-wing
How Many players out there who play warmahordes cignar and 40k ultra marines will proxy the colossal as a Imperial Knight???
I have a Imperial Fist List under the knife that will definitely sport one just for kicks I may even start a cygnar army to get the full benefit of this.
I reckon Khador’s Konquest is more Imperial-looking.
may be an alternate model : http://www.blightwheelminiatures.com/mecha-prometheus
they promise some new heads and weapons for this year ! (and for only 90 euros for a resin kit not 120 for plastic ….)
I’ll grab one most likely to do an unboxing video and who knows, I might even paint it up too. Colossals seem to be the big thing to paint, no pun intended, at the PP Gen Con competition and I see these knights being right up there in popularity.
This is the kind of artwork I was talking about in my last post can be found here;
http://theshellcase.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/titanart.jpg%3Fw%3D549%26h%3D400
I appear to have fried my language circuits in my last post. Apologies.
I’m tempted to get one and mess it up a lot – a crashed/looted one would make for great scenery! As always every 40k vehicle release is an Ork release as well, so I look forward to some of the innevitable lootin’ people do… I like how GW have brought these guys back, I remember their Epic release and their role in the Titan Legions game, I always thought they were pretty badass and I must say they’ve done a good job of scaling them up to 40k, unlike the Lord of Skulls – in fact I don’t see too… Read more »
Look this is how a penny wise war gamer gets the most bang for his buck ! If you are just playing one game and not the other this is only smart money to start playing both… Regardless of what I or anyone else may say or post here or anywhere else. Example, if you play cignar and have the fatty in your line up its time to start a ultra marine list of some sort. In order to proxy the fatty in 40k. If you have a ultra marine army and plan on buying the knight then no better… Read more »
The models look good but the price will put a lot of people off.
I’m more bothered about the rumours that 7th edition may be out at the end of the year, I just don’t have the time for this, going to concentrate on other games.
Well well, so GW now is making models for the Cygnar and Khador factions from Warmachine.
Well played GW, well played : )
see above 🙂 or see Epic 40,000
The design harks back to the old Space Marine and Epic 40,000 games from about two decades ago as noted upthread and by Poosh below. Still, I don’t imagine the guys over at GW would exactly be crying buckets if people decided to spend some of their hard earned cash to pick up one of these for use in another games system such as Warmachine, any more than the Privateer Press guys would object to someone like me picking up, say, a Khador Colossal for the purposes of converting up another class of Knight. I doubt that such things ever… Read more »
These look pretty cool. My only gripe is that its yet another space marine that’s going to absolutely eviscerate the competition. Nid’s are pretty much toast. I do hope though that the IG update brings my army back from the dead, an interesting future to say the least.
I kind of knew they would make a giant model for the imperial army sooner or later to stand up against stuff like the Riptide and the Wraithknight (whose name actually hinted at this)
Just kind of happy they did not invent something new and horrid.
I had the Epic scaled knights… something like 20 plus years ago – not sure of the exact dates as there were metals and plastics that came out later.