Weekender XLBS: Mind-Melting Trees & Do Games Ever Really Die?
July 8, 2018 by crew
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Happy Sunday 🙂
Scary, @dignity ? Evil genius, @warzan ? 😀 Oh, come on. There’s nothing scary or evil about forming plans for to destroy whole galaxies. After all, they started it, didn’t they? Serves them right for not having the sense to peaceably submit to Galactic Emperor Ming when they had the chance. And besides, the second half of that post was about SAVING our galaxy, too. 😀
That said, @dracs – I’m still waiting on that one mi-i-i-i-illion dollars … 😀
Is it okay if they pay you in Guyanaese dollars? ?
I demand Monopoly Money only! 😀
Sorry but I think Warren spent it all bribing the jury after being put on trial for being the Great Cluedo Murderer.
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Foiled again!
Mate, you’ve got issues 🙂
I suppose that’s why I fit in so well around here! 😀
Sickos unanimous here
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By far the most disturbing picture for an episode ever on BoW
I agree completely.Pass the mind bleach….
All I can say is no a thousand times no.
And Warzan wishes that he was built like that.
Not as much as the wife @orkess does 😉 lol
there are things in life you cant unsee…
On a more serious note, I actually really enjoy playing rules sets I suppose most people would consider “dead,” i.e., no longer published and supported. Most of my favorite games went out of print in the 1980s. PanzerBlitz / Leader / Arab-Israeli Wars went out of print some time in the early 1980s, yet people still play it today. At smaller historical conventions there’s usually a tournament or table of it somewhere. Granted, it’s a smaller table in the back somewhere, but people still play it. People also still “dining room table” publish for it on various websites, including BGG.… Read more »
Happy Sunday!!
That is the second most disturbing cover image that has been used on a Weekender. o_0
Good show as always, Enjoy you time off @warzan exspecially with your better half ( Her in-doors)and the wee n’s,…….. But @dignity, Where’s the Ursula ?? the Scuttlebugs ?? the Gattlinger??, Your next shipment of anzac biscuits rests on answers to these questions !! @dracs, you may have another bikkie for keeping @warzan mainly on point today. Minion !! Feed the Hobbit. NOW!!
Oh gods, Sam as Edward Alric is just perfect. Someone convince Warren he can join in by going as Major Armstrong…..
Surely Warren would be better as Sig Curtis? 😉
That… is not an unfair choice 😀
Games that are dead AT-43
Happy Sunday … No old games never truly die …. and that opening image on the video has csarred me for life
Completely agree with horus500. Just can’t get that image out of my head. There are some episodes which should come with a Sunday morning health warning. Strong correlation with Warren going on vacation.
Happy *retch* Sunday!
Oh my Lordy, just who’s hungering for whose *choke* touch here? Nope – don’t answer that question, it doesn’t bear thinking about. *nghurrr*
@Warzan Don’t dismiss the community that maintained and developed Necromunda for years until GWs product strategy meant that they took it back in-house.
Happy Sunday
@dracs I have to correct you, ManOWar Isn´t actually dead, we keep it alive and play it sometimes. ^^
That is very good to hear. I’ve had it sitting in the back of my cupboard since time immemorial.
@dracs – time for you to lead a revival then; could be an entire series of lets plays doing a campaign at the BoW offices. 😉
I still remember the great WRG “war” that happened between the 6th edition and 7th edition. It basically split the Ancients players into two camps (where some of the 6th edition players felt that the changes went too far). Alas it seemed to kill off the Ancients games in our club (we had about a dozen players who just played 15mm Ancients every single week). Crimson Skies (a great game), seemed to die for no good reason. Not sure if it was to do with the difficulty in getting the minis here in the UK, or if it was to… Read more »
Its either WRG 6th or 7th that run a competition at the Derby World’s each year. I think it was FASA going under that stopped Crimson Skies being developed but Ral Partha still sell the models. Lazerburn ( how much 40k can you recognize) by Bryan Ansell and the models are still sold by Alternative Armies
It’s WRG 7th (I think), but it’s long slipped away as the go to set of rules for playing ancients these days. Things like Lazerburn may still be available for the few grognards who still play it (remember to keep track of the ammo left in the magazine all), but I don’t think people actually play it much these days (more collect and lovingly curate the collection, and remember bygone days 😀 ). Just remembered another set of rules that was all the rage and then disappeared. Remember “Empire” Napoleonic rules? It came in a great big box, with a… Read more »
@phaidknott @oriskany will be your friend forever for mentioning renegade legion. It is a great game and luckily still have a copy
Renegade Legions Interceptor – still have that game, along with the TOG fighter sourcebook, RL / CW Fighter sourcebook, Golden Medusas sourcebook, Fire Eagles sourcebook, a bunch of others. Also like Centurion (all the sourcebooks) Leviathan not so much (but still a good game, have all the source books), Legionnaire RPG, Shannendam County source book, Mysia invasion sourcebook by Crunchy Frog Games (after FASA sold the license), Prefect operational-level wargame, etc, the Interceptor computer game … Basically, I have everything ever published … except some of the novels and the Circus Maximus game. Shame what happened to that ‘verse, and… Read more »
It’s always been in my mind to get the metals from C-in-C to cover the scenarios in the box game. One day it will happen…….one day.
@Oriskany, From your collection, other than the crossover scenarios in each game system. Were there any other campaign/scenario books published for Centurion? If so that’s another thing I’d need to get. Now to find some TOG and Commonwealth 6mm infantry models 😀
@phaidknott – I remember the book for 2nd Armored Cavalry (RL/ CW) Regiment, and the Centurion Technical Update, the 13379th Harbringers of Death Strike Legion (TOG), and the Centurion Vehicle Briefing. I have all of them, although not all in .pdf.
http://renegade-legion.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Game_Supplements
Here’s another pretty good resource:
http://knossos.firenebula.com/centurion/
Thanks for the link to the record sheets (VERY useful), I’ll keep a look out for the supplements. On “project to do someday” is to do Centurian with minis and a map replacement (possibly Kallistra hexs, although they are a bit large for 6mm). Someday…….
No worries, @phaidknott – it’s been 25 years since I played any of the games in that ‘verse, except for a week 3 years ago when I flirted with the old PC Interceptor game.
Yes I played Empire Well managed to cope with trying to understand it. It reminded me most of the bloated game Star Fleet Battles became
The damage flow chart was the best bit. Ending up 6-8 map boards off the table as you miscalculated your thrusters wasn’t fun. It took a couple of games to get the hang of facing directions etc I always want to do a miniatures version of Centurion but never got round to it
You mean these http://www.pfc-cinc.com/rl_gravtanks.html I’ve got the board game (but it’s the first edition one, the second edition was a lot more streamlined). There was someone in the UK stocking them “Wargames Emporium” (but they always seem to be out of stock, so you’d be better buying them from the US). Centurion is a LOT easier to play as there’s not as much “vectored movement” to deal with. I used to have the fiction books that were released for Centurion (a lot like Hammers Slammers really, but a bit better)
Totally agree, Centurion was much better than Interceptor … and both were better than Leviathan, probably the weakest of the series at least in terms of game mechanics. The “fluff” and backstory were amazing – but the game just never really clicked.
Won’t lie, it was certainly one the many influences for the Darkstar Project:
https://www.beastsofwar.com/project/darkstar-tactical-starship-combat-in-the-26th-century/
We actually liked Leviathan the best. We were going through a Napoleonic Naval splurge at the time so loved the idea of crossing the T in space
@torros – “We actually liked Leviathan the best.” Really? Were you playing without missiles or fighter groups? If memories served these were the two weapons classes that more or less “ruined” the game, at least for us. Also, crossing the T is a very dangerous tactic in RL Leviathan because of spinal mounts (at least along the bow). Crossing the STERN, on the other hand, is beauty. 😀 The Darkstar project took what was best from Leviathan, as well as other games like Battletech, Space Battleship Yamato / Starblazers, FASA Star Trek Tactuical Combat Simulator, Starfleet Battles, etc … and… Read more »
We used everything in the game what we found is yes spinal mounts could be dangerous you lost a lot of protection in anti missile and anti fighter defence. We found it much better to layer your defences and hope your opponent made a mistake in manovouring and isolated itself for mass fighter and broadside attacks
I just can’t agree when it comes to Leviathan. I’m not sure how spinal mounts effect antimissile or fighter defense. I suppose if you lost ships to enemy spinal mounts? That never happened in our games, missiles wopuld always crush most ships out of both fleets in a mass matter-antimatter die-off that was always terribly obtuse and dumb, especially once ships started exploding and setting off other ships. Of course the predictable answer to this collateral damage mechanic would be to spread your ships out, but then you couldn’t layer point-defense fight like you say, but of course the game… Read more »
@phaidknott @oriskany
Some clever chap combined the Centurion damage system and Battletech
It makes Battletech a much better game in my opinion
Didn’t realise there was a 2nd edition
Yup, the second edition came out with little plastic tanks (you occasionally see them appear for sale and they also released the tanks separately (you got about 50 in a box), rather than the coloured “matchbox” box thingies that came with the 1st edition. There were a few rule clarifications and simplifications (but the game wasn’t that much changed).
This was one of the sets I had, with the tiny plastic Liberators, Wolverines, Vipers, Trajans, etc. 😀 still have all the books, the plastic bits are long lost to the Dark Ages that were the early 1990s … 🙁
A friend bought the tanks. Didn’t realise they were included in one version the game
One of the books had a storyline where there were detonators attached to the Grav fins and exploded after so many turns or am I thinking of something else
Back in the day I began wargaming with WRG 4th Edition Ancients and I still have my original copy. I have not played this rule set since the late 1970’s, but I still have a fondness for the old girl and I would never dream of letting go of my copy. Would I ever play 4th, 5th or 6th Editions again? probably not! Lets face it they were developed by retired maths teachers for retired maths teachers and you had to start battles at dawn to finish by sunset. Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer Ancient Battle were like a breath of… Read more »
Another thought just occured to me, do other gamers take rules and army lists as gospel or do they change them as necessary. Am I a heretic? Should I be burnt at the stake for even suggesting it?
We change them about when needed. For later historical periods we would use the forces that were at a particular battle we are refighting For earlier periods we do tinker to a point where it’s not worth it anymore as the tinkering ruins the flow of the game and it’s time to find a new set
There was a time when rule books literally fell apart and were thrown away or recycled. Paper copies of rules, army books, painting guides etc, took up a lot of storage space and were generally disposed of when not used for a long time. With the computer age virtually all rule sets and associated books end up as PDF or E-reader files, making storage simple, easily shared and reprinted if necessary. The physical copies no longer die or become scarce. All that remains is the spiritual will to revisit old games.
A mole owned Ben’s Badger ???……. another bad mental image
Happy Sunday!
Can’t believe that didn’t end with “Elvis has left the building..”
Ok talking about games. A quick quiz question
Why did Rogue Trader get its name changed to Warhammer 40,000?
To steer clear of 2000AD’s Rogue Trooper?
Go away your on holiday!
But your right. GW was concerned they couldn’t have 2 games with the initials RT. It was going to be called Warhammer 3000 but as it was set 40000 years in the future they went with that
As a humourous aside when Bryan Ansell took over GW he wanted major changes made to WD . Ian Marsh( who now runs Fighting 15’s) the then editor wrote a new set of spells for Warhammer Fantasy whose initials spelt out SOD OFF BRYAN ANSELL
Don’t have my copy of the rulebook to hand, but fairly sure ‘Warhammer 40,000’ was on the cover of RT; no idea why RT was dropped come 2nd edition though. At my best guess it was tied in with a move to a more army based game rather than a warband feel that RT had.
Edit: ignore this post – hadn’t seen Warren’s post when I made it. ?
@torros , @warzan , @lordofuzkulak – the explanation GW have given for this is that they intended to bring out a ‘not Star Trek’ game featuring space ships exploring the galaxy, but with the grim humour of the early GW thrown into the mix. The game was advertised in White Dwarf long before they’d actually finished it. And in fact, the game petered out in development, so they were left with players expecting a game called ‘Rogue Trader’ that they no longer had the means or interest to complete. So the Science Fantasy version of Warhammer was released with the… Read more »
From what I’ve read they just tried to stuff as much popular sci-fi references they could into the game and let the players make up their own background
Happy Sunday!
Another example can be the 9th Age rules set that is supported by the old WFRP community that does not really like AoS.
I think I mentioned 9th Age in the original post. I know a lot of people are playing that in 10mm.if you search minihammer on Facebook you should find it
Sorry, I did not check the forums. In Poland, we have had a Polish Team Championships this weekend with people playing standard Oldhammer/Middlehammer/Warhammer 28mm miniatures. A huge event.
dammit I’ve just left Poland… where did you have the tournament?
In Cracow. Here’s a link to a youtube channel with the currently active stream and some past games. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCVFcylKCXtbIgGmRPNAkLg/featured?disable_polymer=1
you’re killing me man, I was in Krakow for 4 days for the Pearl Jam gig at tauron arena. Knowing I was in the same town makes me a sad panda. Hope you all had fun though 🙂
That looks really good
Aaarrgh! My eyes!!
I think Justin would make a good knockoff Turin Shroud – as you guys are in Ireland, do you plan taking these round all the local churches and peddling them as genuine relics? ? @warzan – word of warning, if your reaction to B&B gets any more high pitched, only dogs will be able to hear you; there may be a throw in the game, but fairly sure sure there are none in the audience. ? So, Justin’s mind melted last week and this week it was Warren’s, so who’s next week; Sam or Ben? ? @dracs – is your… Read more »
Just noticed a typo above, and no edit button so posting as a reply.
*’anthros’ not ‘a throw’
Anyone got the number for a good phycologist after seeing the picture.
man, I have not even hit play yet and that front screen will haunt me for a long time… dare I watch today’s episode?
Happy Week…And I’m Scared For Life…end.
Someone pass the Brain Bleach.
Hi guys, another brilliant show today. Firstly thanks to Ben for attending the Burrows and Badgers tournament last weekend, as he said it was a great day and games were played in a great spirit. Whilst I organised the event, the excellent mushroom table was all the work of fellow Phoenixer and good friend Peter Melvin. He has spent hours making scenery for this. So, whilst I’d love to be on a future Hobby Night Live, perhaps Peter and I could attend together, even if only via Skype maybe. Glad you loved the tables, and now Justin has his own… Read more »
Happy Sunday – really enjoyed that episode – I’m in a great mood for the day! I suppose a game isn’t completely dead as long as you’ve got the stuff to play it. The way to keep a game alive is probably similar to how to get people interested in a new game – make sure you have enough stuff for two people to play it. As long as you have the stuff you can play it whenever you want. (Case in point – could you EVER call a board game dead?) The trouble comes if you need to rely… Read more »
I think a board game can die if you’ve lost half the pieces and a third of the cards and tokens. ?
Fair!!