New 3 Colours Up Tips: Painting Red Cloth
July 11, 2011 by elromanozo
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wouldnt mechrite red -> devlan mud -> blood red (or mechrite again) be easier?
Some of these tips are going to step further out of the realm of ‘easy’ to help you see some of the more advanced techniques.
There will be easy ones too, but not all will be 🙂
It’s the same colors in a different range, I believe… Except Devlan mud is brown and not red.
My advice : if you find it easier and if you get good results, do it !
Experiment !
I’m only doing this because many of you find red a little tricky to do properly. I’m only showing you my way of doing it, and i’ve had good results with blending and highlighting.
BoW Romain
Thanks once again Romain for an in depth instruction on how you paint cloth.
Could you do a similar tutorial on how to paint white? *that* (for me at least) is a killer colour to get right
We’re not in the best possible world, but this is after all the best possible wargaming website…
I believe you’ll get your wish, @pangloss666 !
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Nice one Romain. I really like seeing painting using non-GW paints. We all know that generally they are inferior and more expensive than many other paint ranges out there, so it’s good to see them in use. I hate many of the GW reds as they really don’t give the colour a nice finish without mixing it with about 2-5 other colours! Don’t even get me started on Blood Red!! I really like that model though. Is my favourite in the Dark Angel Vet’s set, probably in the whole DA range! Looks awesome when done in DA colours! 😉 Anyway… Read more »
Thanks ! I believe the GW paints are quite all right for beginners, though. The pre-mixed washes may be just the thing for new painters… In my opinion, you do outgrow them pretty quickly, though. Or better yet, learn to paint with another brand, and don’t go through that step if you don’t need it.
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@glarion really?
Try foundation red- mechrite? then blood red
brilliant, and looking forward to the white (and i wasnt being critical before about the red – i’d just never encountered any real difficulties with it)
thanks again! 🙂
No offense taken !
As I’ve said before, everyone should paint what they like and how they like it… The goal is to have fun and to be proud of your results.
Incidentally I’ve had excellent results shadowing red with green. And I really like your nickname. Is it from Voltaire ?
BoW Romain
yes! way back when i first got on the internet i needed a username. I originally wanted to go for ‘adso of melk’ but that had gone so i looked along the shelf and saw ‘candide’.
Brilliant book ! Always such a laugh… That one and Memnon, from the same author. Who said wargamers weren’t cultured gents ?
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I know that this has probably been done, but could you explain how that wet pallet goes together please?
I believe there’s a tutorial about that in the works… Take a plate, a square and flat sponge (any kind, just a reasonably flat one), saturate it with water on the plate, then stick some oven paper (baking paper, that sort of thing) on it. Use that surface as the palette. That should diffuse the water just enough through capillary action so that the paint doesn’t dry. If the weather isn’t too dry where you paint, you can paint for hours and hours with the same mixes, and you can even store your mixes overnight in the fridge. I hope… Read more »
Yep, absolutely what I needed. right then, I’m off to mix paints and try some blending.
I clearly need to buy some Royal Navy Brown 🙂
@ quirkworthy lmao!
You know it makes sense! 😛
@elromanozo And I agree about the washes Romain. I think GW’s washes are fantastic, shame that most of the rest of the range are so meh. Don’t even get me started on the metallics! For metallics it has to be Vallejo Air’s range. Superb fine pigment content in those!
GW washes are all right, but as I said, you grow out of them as soon as you know how to control the dilution of your paint, and you start buying a cheaper, richer and denser paint with good pots and a higher shelf-life… That is to say any other range.
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Nah… DOn’t bother if you can’t, @Quirkworthy !
Here are alternatives that are the same or almost the same color :
Mix bright red and black with a trace of dark brown (any range)
Terracotta and bit of black (for a colder mix)
From p3 : Sanguine base
From Citadel : Dark flesh (a bit too thin, though !)
From Rackham : Chair bestiale + black
From Windsor & Newton : Ferrous oxyde red and/or quinacridone burnt orange, + black
Do not mix with inks, as it will give you a glossy finish that no one wants in shadows.
I hope this helps…
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Ah, but all you are offering here are pale imitations. I need the real thing!
It’s Vallejo, isn’t it? I couldn’t see the label on the pot properly, though the shape of the pot looks right. Maelstrom Games are just up the road from me and I’m pretty sure they stock that range, so I’ll have a rummage next time I’m up.
It’s Vallejo Model Color, or Prince August (same range), not Vallejo Game Color… Although the Dark Fleshtone in Game Color is the exact same color, only thinner.
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Thanks R. It’s at the top of my shopping list for Maelstrom (well, nearly. There’s some Smog in there too and it was there first).
Another nice guide Romain 🙂 Just out of interest though, could you explain more why GW are more suitable for beginners rarther than more acomplished painters? I use a wide range brands of paint for my minis and have done for years, the only thing that seems to be a pain with the GW colours are the damn pots, especially the new wash pots that seem to have a crap seal on them. There is a few colours like the red and golds which are a little dodgey, I will agree with that. Vallejo are quite nice paints, I love… Read more »
Thank you @solaaris and everyone else foryour nice compliments !
PP pots are a pain in the April… But their colors are a bit denser, more vivid, more covering, their pigments are very fine, and they don’t separate to the best of my knowledge.
For someone who doesn’t yet know how to control the consistency of his paint properly, dilution and everything, the fact that Citadel colors are pre-mixed in washes is quite a time-saver : you can achieve tabletop quality result in a minimal amount of time with very little practice.
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At the risk of using a Bad Word, I always thought that the Citadel Washes were really just a sort of controlled and reliably mixed version of the ‘Magic Wash’ that was popular a few years ago, and from which we also get the dreaded Dip that you love so much…
Did someone mention dip? 😀
LOL
Jeez it had to come round to bloody DIP! lol
Yes. And I do recommend Dip for beginners who don’t want to spend ages painting an army… It works, and I’m for whatever works.
Of course, it’s hopeless if you need anything above tabletop result, but there’s nothing wrong with being lazy or not wanting your whole army to win style contests.
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Sorry Romain. I’ve dragged it into the gutter (again) 😛
Romain,
Another brilliant tutorial on a colour many beginners seem to have trouble with (along with white and yellow). You’re the Tim Gunn of mini painters; keep the vies coming!
Thanks ! I’m touched ! I’d like to think this guy sees style and fashion as I see miniature painting : It’s worth paying attention to it and doing your best, but there’s nothing better than something you’re confortable with… good fashion isn’t just for 19 year olds who wear a size 2, and good painting isn’t just for Golden Demon winners. And in both cases, it’s about sending a message… And it’s all about finding what works for you, whether it’s your silhouette or favorite minis… Your style. It’s a fine line between art and confort, art and usage,… Read more »
Ah, so you saw exactly what I meant: excellent!
Any possibility that you could do a painting tutorial on a TAG or ‘jack?
I’m sure our meeting room is bugged!
Stay tuned, one of those is definately filmed and on the way.
I am looking forward to this one! unfornately my sound is out so it doesn’t really help watching it now… anyway as soon as my computers sounds fixed I will be there with gusto!
Hi Romain, Mate brilliant tutorial again. Royal navy brown (Vallejo) when I search for that paint here in Australia all I get back is WWII German Cam Black Brown AV 70822, could you please tell what the code number for Royal navy brown is.
I’m terribly sorry about this confusion… “Royal Navy Brown” is what is written on my paint pot… But it is the old Prince August designation for what is now Hull Red. It’s the very same color. Its code is 146 in shops for Prince August and 985 in the Vallejo Model Color Chart. The German Camo Black Brown is close, though. Hull red also exists in other ranges, such as Tamiya… It’s either close or the same color, depending on your range of predilection. But you don’t have to use the exact color I’m using, just use a very dark… Read more »
This is getting like one of those Zen koans that doesn’t actually have an answer. I’m onto you, Romain. You’re just trying to free our minds from the constraints of this inaccurately perceived (so-called) reality, aren’t you? Cunning to use painting.
* More gaming musings from Jake at http://www.quirkworthy.com *
I’m teaching zen painting : If you meet a master painter in the street, kill him. All right, don’t kill him, he can still teach you stuff… But ultimately, you have to do the work yourself, and find your own way to paint, your own techniques to achieve the results you’re after, not the results THEY’re after with THEIR technique… Which is why you may well try the colors I use, but obsessing about it if you can’t obtain that exact paint pot isn’t going anywhere. As long as you understand that what I use is a very dark red,… Read more »
Thank you Romain that clears that up
Umbral Umber is a very nice, rich P3 colour that seems very similar to the Royal Navy Brown/Hull Red.
Pretty cool seems pretty common sense to me but then again comman sense isn’t that common. Did something very similar with a Kaya, Wildborne varient model recently, browns into reds and vice versa is the way to go as most browns are a red a deep and muted red but a red none the less. The blended highlights came up really well I really liked that. I often just was after a blend to make the blend more seemless, I like the seemless paint jobs but I think the contrast is really good here between the folds of the cloak.… Read more »
I say don’t be afraid of a little contrast when the light calls for it, but to each his own !
BoW Romain
Romain, an other useful tip, to get us away from the 3 flat colours and a dip 🙂
Good on you
Late to the show , but I wanted to say I really enjoyed that.
I like the contrast in tone between front and rear of the mini, its something I’ve been experimenting with myself a bit, I much prefer this directed lighting style , to me the mini flows better as a piece when finished compared to the GW style.
Nice Video!
Kind of off topic for this episode, but on topic with 3 Colours Up, is it in the works to re-upload the Grey Knights Terminator tutorial? I really enjoyed that one and when I went back to watch it again, I found that it has fallen victim to the YouTube fiasco.
Thanks!
I was talking to the guys the other day about this. They’re working away behind the scenes to get the old stuff uploaded again, but it’ll take time. There’s loads of it!
Really nice video, thanks Romain. Nice side effect is that I find these watching painting vids is really relaxing after a day at work.
I’d really like to see a vid on how you paint the gold rim on Chaos Space Marines (guess you’re probably swamped with requestst, but hey worth to try).
@basetheruin… The gold rim is easy enough as long as you consider it part of the armor. I’ll see what I can do… You’ll see !
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